News How Is War Decided: Congress Vote or President?

[russ_watters]

Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
UHmmmm, if I remember it correctly, it is called the Geneva Convention, But I could be wrong russ, do a (insert name of your favourite search engine *HERE*) search, will ya?

EDIT; That is a C-o-n-s-t-r-u-c-t of 'LAW', russ. (according to the definition of 'IS')

The Geneva Convention is a TREATY, a piece of paper, an inanimate object, not a seat of authority. You're confusing the law with the court. The court enforces the law, the law doesn't enforce itself. So despite what I think, OJ was found innocent. It doesn't matter that I KNOW he committed the crime. I don't have the authority to track him down and arrest him and then convict him. Only the police and the court system do.

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by russ_watters
The Geneva Convention is a TREATY, a piece of paper, an inanimate object, not a seat of authority. You're confusing the law with the court. The court enforces the law, the law doesn't enforce itself. So despite what I think, OJ was found innocent. It doesn't matter that I KNOW he committed the crime. I don't have the authority to track him down and arrest him and then convict him. Only the police and the court system do.

Yes russ, and the piece of paper is/are the 'Facts of the Law' that all of the signatories of that piece, are to abide by, and are the "Legal Representational Bodies" of all of the governments that have signed it, AKA "The Authorities", just that in this particular case, it is a BODY of them, not a singularity (court) of them.

That includes your own Country russ, and mine, and the UN's Charter as well russ, let's not forget that one.

Apparently russ you don't seem to realize that the Legislators and Senators, the people's that do the representing, are also 'Members' of that "Authority" russ, even in your country russ.

 

[russ_watters]

Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
Yes russ, and the piece of paper is/are the 'Facts of the Law' that all of the signatories of that piece, are to abide by, and are the "Legal Representational Bodies" of all of the governments that have signed it, AKA "The Authorities", just that in this particular case, it is a BODY of them, not a singularity (court) of them.

That includes your own Country russ, and mine, and the UN's Charter as well russ, let's not forget that one.

Apparently russ you don't seem to realize that the Legislators and Senators, the people's that do the representing, are also 'Members' of that "Authority" russ, even in your country russ.

How does ANY of that give Ramsey Clarke more authority to conduct a trial than it gives ME? (I have no authrority whatsoever to conduct a trial. I'm not a real court.)

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

So russ, you think that Ramsey Clarke, who was an Attorney General of the United States of America, is on par with you(?) for running a courtroom/trial, or that the body of persons, who sat, and listened, to all of the evidence presented, are, what russ?, "Incompetent to the job", not likely.

If he can get a conviction there russ, he could get it anywhere, most likely russ, never mind it returns to the question I had asked you once before russ, as an American would you turn him in?, the criminal(s) russ, would you turn them in?

Here in Canada russ, you can petition a court to be the prosecutor of/in a case, but you will need to pass the Judge's standards, so even you russ, if knowledgeable enough, and competent, to prove that in a court of law, could prosecute the case russ, even you!

To defend Freedom, First Defend the Law, as that is what Defends Freedom!

 

[russ_watters]

Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
So russ, you think that Ramsey Clarke, who was an Attorney General of the United States of America, is on par with you(?)

No, I'm saying he has precisely the same amount of authority as I do: NONE WHATSOEVER.

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by russ_watters
No, I'm saying he has precisely the same amount of authority as I do: NONE WHATSOEVER.

And I disagree russ, he has knowledge and experience that lends him way more authority/credibility, on the topic(s), then you will, probably, ever have!

Aside from that russ, he probably could have taken it to the War Crimes Tribunals, but what would be the point, the record of the truth of it is firmly established by his actions to date, and furthering it would simply cause the expenditure of more money, to do what russ, imprison Bush?? you figure it's likely to happen russ?

Even I am not that silly/stupid as to think that they would allow that to happen, even if it should!

Grow up russ, my tent is older then you.

He admitted that the establishing of the record was the goal russ,I agree with that, no matter what your opinion of it's validity is, it is valid, as a record, none the less!

 

[with.buddha]

this is a huge thread and i haven't read it except for the first question...

so sorry if this has been mentioned, but Congress did approove the use of force last October when the Dems cowed down to win votes -- of course it didn't work and many (all too late) switched course...

my thoughts: this war is bad and stupid, even if you think world domination would be good for the US, it is tactically illogical to "go it alone"..

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

BTW russ, the reality of life is, to me, such that, when I see a good lesson to be learned, I attempt to accredit the author of the lesson, if possible.

In that light, I tell you that it is NOT to the accreditation of A, Hitler that we learn from him, it is to the credit of God, as God is the Truth, and that is what we learn from.

Hence we learn from what Hitler did, and what we learn russ is simple enough, there are two ways to ‘Win’ at War,

Hitler demonstrated both methods, one is “Force of Occupation” the other is “Genocide”

That russ, is why the Geneva Convention, Why the UN Charter, why we do NOT start war russ, we only enter to finish them, because War is Murder russ, simple as that!

 

[russ_watters]

Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
And I disagree russ, he has knowledge and experience that lends him way more authority/credibility, on the topic(s), then you will, probably, ever have!

I thought I had been clear, but maybe not. He certainly is better QUALIFIED than me to make an assessment. But he has no AUTHORITY do do anything.

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

See russ, there is a place where we are all "Equal before the Law", it is that obvious russ, we are all SUB-serviant to it, the Law Rules everyone russ, including Civil Presidents russ, "Commanders in chief" russ.

See russ, I helped to Defend the law russ, in the World russ, I helped to defend Freedom russ, do you understand that russ??