How many chemicals are people made from?

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The discussion centers on the variety of molecules that compose human beings, exploring the potential for discovering new molecules and the implications of molecular complexity. Participants engage in a mix of theoretical and conceptual reasoning regarding the nature of molecules, atoms, and the limits of molecular size.

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  • Some participants suggest that humans are made from an uncountable number of different molecules, particularly emphasizing the complexity of proteins.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between molecules and atoms, with some noting that there are a limited number of stable atomic elements (between 92 and 117) that can combine to form molecules.
  • Participants mention that there are 20 amino acids used to build proteins, which can occur in various sequences and lengths, alongside other molecules like sugars and fatty acids.
  • One participant raises the question of whether there is a limit to the size of molecules, suggesting that larger molecules may be prone to errors during formation.
  • Another participant points out that cells contain some of the largest and most complex molecules known, specifically referring to DNA.
  • There is a hypothetical exploration of the number of possible polysaccharides based on the combinations of monosaccharides and their attachment methods, indicating a vast potential for molecular diversity.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the number of molecules and the limits of molecular size. There is no consensus on the exact number of molecules or the implications of molecular complexity.

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Some statements rely on assumptions about the definitions of molecules and atoms, and the discussion includes unresolved questions about the limits of molecular size and the nature of molecular discovery.

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How many different molecules are people made from?
Are there lots of new molecules to be discovered
and if so,how is this known?
 
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Uncountably many. Even proteins (which are extremely large and complex molecules) there are many many different molecules.

Asking if there are any new molceules to be discoved is equivalent to asking if there are any new ways to assemble Lego if you have an unlimited supply of the 92 types of blocks available.



Unless you said molecules when you meant atoms.
1] There are a small number of atoms (between 92 and 117, depending on what you want to do with them)
2] humans are made of a handful of these
3] We have discovered all naturally occurring atoms, but are creating more as we go (they are unstable and last for a very short time)
 
There are 20 proteins used to build amino acids, these can occur in any sequence and of any length. Besides proteins there are other molecules like sugars or fatty acids, so there are many molecules that can be made.
 
Monique said:
There are 20 proteins used to build amino acids, these can occur in any sequence and of any length. Besides proteins there are other molecules like sugars or fatty acids, so there are many molecules that can be made.

I think you meant to say "there are 20 amino acids used to build proteins". :biggrin:
 
whoops! :blushing:
 
DaveC426913 said:
Uncountably many. Even proteins (which are extremely large and complex molecules) there are many many different molecules.

Asking if there are any new molceules to be discoved is equivalent to asking if there are any new ways to assemble Lego if you have an unlimited supply of the 92 types of blocks available.



Unless you said molecules when you meant atoms.
1] There are a small number of atoms (between 92 and 117, depending on what you want to do with them)
2] humans are made of a handful of these
3] We have discovered all naturally occurring atoms, but are creating more as we go (they are unstable and last for a very short time)

I see someone counted their lego... :rolleyes:
 
Are'nt there more than 92 types? Or are you not including the bodies and movie ripp-off legos?
 
:)

No, the lego is an analogy to atomic elements. There are 92 stable elements with which to build molecules.

Asking how many molecules are yet to be discovered is equivalent to asking how many unique constructions you can make out of Lego - pretty much infinite!
 
DaveC426913 said:
:)

No, the lego is an analogy to atomic elements. There are 92 stable elements with which to build molecules.

Asking how many molecules are yet to be discovered is equivalent to asking how many unique constructions you can make out of Lego - pretty much infinite!
Oh. thank god you're not one of those lego collecters that waste their salary on plastic.. :biggrin:
 
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But surely there is a limit to the size of molecules in a cell?
And very large molecules would be prone to errors when
they are made- there must be a limit to molecule size,
even outside cells?
 
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sontag said:
But surely there is a limit to the size of molecules in a cell?
And very large molecules would be prone to errors when
they are made- there must be a limit to molecule size,
even outside cells?
Funny you should ask. Our cells contain one of the largest and most complex molecules in the known universe. Can you guess what it is? :biggrin:

I did not know this but, according to Wikipedia, in humans, it can be as long as 5 centimeters! (That's a 5cm long molecule folks.)
 
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You're talking about that deoxyribonucleic acid stuff right? Or is it ribonucleic acid you mean to have us guess? Another perhaps? :smile:
 
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Muon12 said:
You're talking about that deoxyribonucleic acid stuff right? Or is it ribonucleic acid you mean to have us guess? Another perhaps? :smile:
yeah, and it's deoxyribonucleic acid(DNA)
 
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Even if molecules were limited in size there would e a HUGE number. My plant biology professor gave us this example: There are 61 common monosaccharides living things use, and 4 ways they can attach to each other. If polysaccharide chains always had to consist of exactly 100 monosaccharides, there would still be (61 times 4)^100 possible polysaccharides. So living things have more possibilities for molecules than they could ever use, and chemicals are being created all the time through mutations.
 

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