How many reflexive relations on set A with 4 elements?

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The discussion centers on determining the number of reflexive relations on a set A with 4 elements. It explores the definitions and properties of relations in set theory, particularly focusing on reflexivity.

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  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially suggests that the answer is 4, based on a misunderstanding of reflexive relations.
  • Another participant clarifies that a relation on set A is any subset of AxA, which has 16 pairs for a set with 4 elements.
  • The second participant explains that for a relation to be reflexive, it must include the pairs (a, a), (b, b), (c, c), and (d, d), leaving 12 pairs that can either be included or excluded.
  • This leads to the conclusion that there are 4096 possible reflexive relations, as there are 2 choices for each of the 12 remaining pairs.
  • A later reply confirms that all reflexive relations will indeed contain the required pairs for reflexivity.

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There is a clear disagreement in the initial understanding of reflexive relations, but the later posts reach a consensus on the definition and the calculation of the number of reflexive relations.

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The initial misunderstanding regarding the nature of relations and the calculation of subsets highlights the importance of precise definitions in set theory. The discussion does not resolve the initial confusion but clarifies the correct approach to the problem.

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Question: How many reflexive relations are on set A if A has 4 elements?

I'm thinking that the answer to this question is 4, but I don't know whether it is truly that simple.
I know that a reflexive relation, R, occurs when for all x in A, x R x.
so let's say A = {1,2,3,4}.
1~1
2~2
3~3
4~4.
So there are 4 "relations" here. I believe the answer to this is 4, *or* it could be 1 as A~A. Is it right?
 
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First, do you know what a "relation" is? You seem to be completely misunderstanding this problem.

A relation on set A is any subset of AxA. In this case, since A has 4 members, say A= {a, b, c, d}, AxA has 16 members, AxA= {(a, a), (a, b), (a, c), (a, d), (b, a), (b, b), (b, c), (b, d), (c, a), (c, b), (c, c), (c, d), (d, a), (d, b), (d, c), (d, d)}. Every such pair may or may not be in a subset of AxA. Since A has 16 pairs there are 16 "yes" or "no" choices to determine whether or not a specific pair is in AxA or not. There are $2^{16}= 65536$ subsets. (In general, if a set contains n members then it has $2^n$ subsets.)

If the only condition is that the relation be reflexive then we are only requiring that the subset contain (a, a), (b, b), (c, c), and (d, d). That leaves 12 other pairs that might of might not be in the set so there are $2^{12}= 4096$ such sets.
 
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Thank you for helping to clear my misunderstanding! It seems to remind me of the power set a little.

Just to make sure I'm understanding it right, I can say that all the 4096 reflexive relations on set A *will* definitely contain the 4 sets (a, a), (b, b), (c, c), and (d, d)?
 
Yes, that's what "reflexive" means!
 

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