How many roots does x^3.14 have?

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The discussion centers on the number of roots for the equation x3.14 = 0, exploring the implications of rational versus irrational exponents in polynomial equations and the nature of roots in complex analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that x3.14 has one root, which is also a branch point, while others question the reasoning behind this claim.
  • One participant explains that the only solution to x3.14 = 0 is x = 0, and describes a branch point as a location in the complex plane where the function behaves differently based on the direction of travel.
  • Another participant clarifies that the statement about polynomials having a number of roots equal to their degree is not applicable to non-polynomial functions like x3.14.
  • Some participants discuss the fundamental theorem of algebra, noting that it applies to polynomials and not to functions with non-integer exponents.
  • There is a claim that for positive integer exponents, the equation xn = a has n distinct roots, while for non-integer exponents, it has infinitely many roots.
  • One participant argues that infinitely many roots occur only when the exponent is irrational, providing an example with x√2 = 1.
  • Another participant acknowledges a previous misstatement regarding the number of roots for rational powers, clarifying that rational powers have a finite number of roots while irrational powers have infinitely many.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the number of roots for x3.14, with some supporting the idea of one root and others suggesting the presence of infinitely many roots due to the irrational exponent. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the nature of roots for different types of functions, particularly regarding the application of the fundamental theorem of algebra to non-polynomial functions.

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If x^5 has 5 roots, if x^3 has 3 roots and if x^10 has 10 roots, so how many roots has x^3.14 ?
 
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Jhenrique said:
If x^5 has 5 roots,

It has one root with multiplicity 5.

if x^3 has 3 roots

It has one root with multiplicity 3.

and if x^10 has 10 roots,

It has one root with multiplicity 10.

so how many roots has x^3.14 ?

One, and the root is also a branch point.
 
pwsnafu said:
One, and the root is also a branch point.

Why one and what's a branch point?
 
Jhenrique is referring most likely to the degree of a function and not to just specific functions.
 
Jhenrique said:
Why one and what's a branch point?

The only solution to ##x^{3.14}=0## is ##x=0##. There is no other choice.

A branch point is a point where, on the complex plane, traveling around that point is dependent on the direction of travel. Visually, the function ##x^{3.14}## "tears" the complex plane from the point ##x=0##.

symbolipoint said:
Jhenrique is referring most likely to the degree of a function and not to just specific functions.

Even then the statement "a polynomial of degree 10 has 10 roots" is still wrong. The correct form is "a polynomial with degree 10 has 10 roots counting multiplicity", which is a sloppy way of saying "the sum of the multiplicities of the roots of a polynomial of degree 10 is equal to 10".

Also Jhenrique, the fundamental theorem of algebra is a theorem about polynomials, ##x^{3.14}## is not a polynomial. You can't expect the pattern to continue.
 
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Let me explain at length.

Suppose we have a polynomial ##p(x)##. Suppose that the degree is ##n##. This means
##p(x) = a_n x^n + a_{n-1} x^{n-1} + \ldots + a_1 x + a_0##.

Now suppose that the roots of ##p(x)## are ##x_1, x_2, \ldots, x_j##, each one different. Now the "number of roots" is ##j##. The fundamental theorem does not say ##j = n##.

Each root has what we call "multiplicity", I'm going to denote as ##m_1, m_2, \ldots, m_j##.
This means when we factor
##p(x) = (x-x_1)^{m_1} (x-x_2)^{m_2} \ldots (x-x_j)^{m_j}##
The fundamental theorem states that
  1. ##j \neq 0##, and
  2. ##m_1 + m_2 + \ldots+ m_j = n##.
This is what "the number of roots counting multiplicity" means.
 
Jhenrique said:
If x^5 has 5 roots, if x^3 has 3 roots and if x^10 has 10 roots, so how many roots has x^3.14 ?
For n a positive integer, and a non zero, [tex]x^n= a[/tex] has n distinct roots. If n is NOT an integer it has infinitely many roots.

(don't know what you mean by "x^5 has 5 roots". Equations have roots, not polynomials.)
 
HallsofIvy said:
For n a positive integer, and a non zero, [tex]x^n= a[/tex] has n distinct roots. If n is NOT an integer it has infinitely many roots.

Are you saying that there are infinitely many complex numbers satisfying ##x^\frac{1}{2}=1##?
 
gopher_p said:
Are you saying that there are infinitely many complex numbers satisfying ##x^\frac{1}{2}=1##?

Yep!

[tex]x = e^{4i\pi n }[/tex] for all integers n. Granted, they are all the same complex numbers.
 
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Mentallic said:
Yep!

[tex]x = e^{4i\pi n }[/tex] for all integers n. Granted, they are all the same complex numbers.
Isn't that rather like saying that there are infinitely many numbers equal to zero, since ##n - n = 0## for all integers ##n##?
 
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jbunniii said:
Isn't that rather like saying that there are infinitely many numbers equal to zero, since n−n=0 for all integers n?

I honestly don't understand it either :smile:
 
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jbunniii said:
Isn't that rather like saying that there are infinitely many numbers equal to zero, since ##n - n = 0## for all integers ##n##?

I think it's more like saying that every linear polynomial ##mx+n## with integer coefficients has infinitely many rational roots, ##\{-\frac{nk}{mk}\}_{k\in\mathbb{Z}\setminus\{0\}}##.
 
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Actually, infinitely many roots occur only when the exponent is irrational.
For example, [itex]x^{√2} = 1[/itex] has infinitely many (complex) solutions.

Indeed, let [itex]x = e^{i\pi√2n}[/itex] for any integer n.
All those solutions are distinct, because otherwise [itex]i\pi√2m = i\pi√2n + 2k\pi i[/itex] or
[itex]√2=\frac{2k}{m-n}[/itex] would be rational, which is false.

Rational exponents have finitely many solutions because then the sequence becomes periodic, when n is a multiple of the denominator.
 
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Yes, as many have pointed out, I misspoke. With rational power, [itex]x^{m/n}= a[/itex], with m/n reduced to lowest terms, has m roots. It is only if the power is irrational, [itex]x^\alpha= a[/itex], that there are an infinite number of roots,
 

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