How Many Times Do I Have To Increase by 3%?

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The discussion revolves around determining how many times a value of 30 must be increased by 3% to reach or exceed 500. Participants explore mathematical approaches to solve this problem, including logarithmic methods.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes the formula \(30 \cdot 1.03^x \ge 500\) as a starting point for the problem.
  • Another participant provides a detailed mathematical derivation, suggesting to divide by 30 and take the natural logarithm to isolate \(n\), leading to the expression \(n \ge \frac{\ln\left(\frac{50}{3}\right)}{\ln(1.03)}\).
  • This participant also notes that since \(n\) must be an integer, it should be rounded up using the ceiling function, resulting in \(n = 96\) according to Wolfram|Alpha.
  • A third participant emphasizes a logarithmic identity, suggesting it as a useful formula for similar problems.
  • A later reply humorously comments on the complexity of remembering multiple formulas, indicating a light-hearted take on the discussion.

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Participants present various methods and insights, but there is no explicit consensus on the final answer or approach, as different perspectives and formulas are shared.

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The discussion does not clarify assumptions regarding the rounding of \(n\) or the context in which the logarithmic identity is applied, leaving some steps and interpretations open to further exploration.

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I want to know how many time I have to increase 30 by 3% before it is greater or equal to 500.

I think this is the correct formula:
30 * 1.03^x >= 500

What steps do I have to take to solve it?
 
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I would write:

$$30\cdot1.03^n\ge500$$

Divide through by 30:

$$1.03^n\ge\frac{50}{3}$$

Take the natural log of both sides, and apply a log rule to obtain:

$$n\ln(1.03)\ge\ln\left(\frac{50}{3}\right)$$

Hence:

$$n\ge\frac{\ln\left(\dfrac{50}{3}\right)}{\ln(1.03)}$$

Since presumably \(n\) is an integer, we could write:

$$n=\left\lceil\frac{\ln\left(\dfrac{50}{3}\right)}{\ln(1.03)}\right\rceil$$

This is the "ceiling" function and it tells us to round up to the nearest integer. According to W|A, we find:

$$n=96$$

Wolfram|Alpha: Computational Intelligence
 
piAreRound said:
I want to know how many time I have to increase 30 by 3% before it is greater or equal to 500.
Tattoo this on your wrist (under your watch!):

if a^p = b then p = ln(b) / ln(a)
 
My wrist is getting awfully crowded!
 

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