How much does the uncertainty in position increase with time?

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The discussion revolves around the increase in uncertainty of a particle's position over time, particularly in the context of a clock and a light signal traveling between two points. Participants explore the implications of wave function evolution and the uncertainty principle, referencing Wigner's results from 1957.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to derive the result that the width of the clock's wave function increases over time, as stated in the article.
  • Another participant suggests expanding the wave function as a sum of free-space waves and refers to the uncertainty principle, noting that a Gaussian distribution will spread over time due to differing momenta of wave components.
  • A third participant presents their calculations, asserting that a Gaussian wave function does not spread with time, based on their Fourier transform results.
  • Subsequent replies challenge this assertion, indicating that the evolution of wavelets and the summation over initial distributions would not maintain a constant shape of the wave packet.
  • One participant provides a more explicit formulation of the wave function's time evolution, suggesting that the probability distribution can be expressed as a Gaussian with a time-varying width.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether a Gaussian wave function spreads over time, with some asserting it does not while others argue it does. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of Wigner's result and the specific behavior of the wave function.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the need for assumptions about the wave function's shape and the dependence on the initial conditions of the wave packet. There are unresolved mathematical steps in the derivation of the width increase over time.

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I'm reading this article (the link is to the PDF file), and I got stuck on a detail right away.

There's a clock at A and a mirror at B. We want to measure the distance L between A and B by measuring the time it takes a light signal to travel from A to B and back. The mass of the clock is m. Its position is represented by a wave function spread out over an interval of length dL. (Pretend that space is one-dimensional). The article claims that in the time that it takes a photon to travel from A to B and back, the clock's wave function will have spread out further, so that the width is now dL+(hbar*L)/(mc*dL).

Appareantly this is something that Wigner proved in 1957. I don't see how to obtain this result. Am I missing something simple?

I assume that we can take the wave function to have a gaussian shape (exp(-ax^2)), but how do we find how much the width has increased in a certain time? I suppose we should have a time evolution operator exp(-iHt) act on this wave function, but I don't see a way to simplify the result. I'm hoping it's just because I haven't been doing this sort of thing in a while.
 
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Expand the wavefunction as a sum of free-space waves.
Observe the spread in momentum and conclude.

The uncertainty principle tells us that: Dx Dt >= hbar/2 .
The equality occurs only for a Gaussian shaped spatial probability distribution.
You can check that the momentum probability distribution is also gaussian in this case.
You can find out the relation between the spatial width and the width of the momentum spectrum.
Since all wave components don't have the same momentum, the wave packet will spread, of course.
You could try to calculate that, this is easy since it is the solution of the SE in free space.

You could also read about the evolution of a wavepacket in many textbooks.
 
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This is what I've got so far:

Suppose the position space wave function is

[tex]\exp{(-ax^2)}[/tex]

Then the momentum space wave function is

[tex]\exp{(-p^2/4a)}[/tex]

At least that's what I get when I do the Fourier transform explicitly.

The effect of time evolution is to add [itex]iEt[/tex] to the exponent, with [itex]E=p^2/2m[/tex], but this only changes the phase (of the momentum space wave function), so the width remains the same (right?). This implies that the width of the position space wave function will also remain the same.<br /> <br /> So the result I get is that a Gaussian wave function doesn't spread at all with time. Can someone verify that this is correct?<br /> <br /> I still don't have any idea how to obtain Wigner's result. Maybe I have to assume that the wave function has a different shape.[/itex][/itex]
 
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Each wavelet
Exp[i p/hb x]​
evolves as
Exp[i p/hb x + i p²/2m t]​
You have to sum that over the initial distribution of wavelets
Exp[-p²/4a]​
Note that the phase depends on p².
I don't believe this would lead to a constant shape of the wavepacket.
Can you try to calculate that?
 
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To be more explicit:

[tex]\Psi(x,t) = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} { A \exp \left( - \frac{p^2}{4a} \right)<br /> \exp \left( \frac{ipx}{\hbar} - \frac{ip^2 t}{2m \hbar} \right) } dp[/tex]

The result of this integral (more precisely, [itex]|\Psi|^2[/itex], the probability distribution) can be put in the form of a Gaussian in x, with a time-varying width. This is a standard topic in quantum-mechanics textbooks.
 
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