How Much Horsepower is Needed for Skiers on a Rope Tow?

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The problem involves calculating the horsepower required for an engine to pull skiers up a hill using a rope tow. The scenario includes a skier's weight, the incline of the hill, the distance traveled, and the coefficient of kinetic friction.

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the skiers, including friction and gravitational components. There are questions about whether the initial calculations account for the height gained while moving up the incline.

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Some participants have pointed out the need to include the power required to overcome gravitational potential energy in addition to friction. There is ongoing exploration of how to incorporate this into the power calculation.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement, including specific values for mass, incline angle, and friction coefficient. There is a focus on ensuring all forces are accounted for in the calculations.

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Homework Statement



Physics and Skiers and Rope and Hills?
A 80 kg skier grips a moving rope that is powered by an engine and is pulled at constant speed to the top of a 24 degrees hill. The skier is pulled a distance x= 200m along the incline and it takes 2.2 min to reach the top of the hill.

If the coefficient of kinetic friction between the snow and skis is Uk = 0.12, what horsepower engine is required if 30 such skiers (max) are on the rope at one time?


Homework Equations



F=umgcos(theta)
P=F(change in x)/t
HP=746?


The Attempt at a Solution



Since the tow rope moves at constant speed, the tension in the rope must equal the force of kinetic friction, which is:

f = μmgcosθ
= 0.12(80kg)(9.8m/s²)cos24°
= 86N (rounded)

Power is work over time and work is force times distance, so:

P = FΔx / t
= 86N(200m) / 132s
= 130 W

In horsepower:

130W = 130W(1.00HP / 746W)
= 0.175HP

For 30 skiers then:

30 x 0.175HP = 5.3HP (rounded)

I got the wrong answer when I put this in. Everything seems in order. Did I miss something? I've double checked my work so its not a calculator error. Any help=thanks!
 
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This would be the case if the skiers were on a horizontal surface. You did not include the power required to raise up to a certain height that you can calculate from the slope and the distance along the incline, i.e. Δ(mgh)/Δt.
 
kuruman said:
This would be the case if the skiers were on a horizontal surface. You did not include the power required to raise up to a certain height that you can calculate from the slope and the distance along the incline, i.e. Δ(mgh)/Δt.

So insert that when trying to figure out power?

P = FΔx / t + Δ(mgh)/Δt??
or P=Δ(mgh)/Δt??
 
Insert. The engine works against both friction and gravity.
 
kuruman said:
Insert. The engine works against both friction and gravity.

So...=( 86N(200m) / 132s) + (80*9.8*200cos(24)/132)??
 
Draw yourself a right triangle of hypotenuse 200 m making an angle of 28o with respect to the horizontal. What is the vertical side?
 
kuruman said:
Draw yourself a right triangle of hypotenuse 200 m making an angle of 28o with respect to the horizontal. What is the vertical side?

It's sin24*200=h

Boom got it
 
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