How much Silver Nitrate to produce a precipitate?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the minimum amount of silver nitrate (AgNO3) required to produce a precipitate when added to a solution of potassium chromate (K2CrO4). The context includes homework-related problem-solving and involves concepts of solubility product (Ksp) and stoichiometry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation based on the Ksp of Ag2CrO4, suggesting that 17 grams of AgNO3 is needed to form a precipitate.
  • Another participant challenges this calculation, arguing that the concentration of chromate remains constant and that the concentration of Ag+ increases until the solubility product is reached.
  • A subsequent reply proposes a revised calculation of 0.11135 grams of AgNO3 based on a different interpretation of the required concentration of Ag+.
  • Another participant counters this by explaining that Ksp does not dictate the ratio of concentrations based on stoichiometry, providing an example with AgCl to illustrate their point.
  • A later post simplifies the problem, suggesting that 0.0090 grams of AgNO3 is the correct amount based on a new calculation.
  • One participant seeks confirmation on their revised calculation, to which another participant agrees.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the initial calculations and interpretations of the Ksp and stoichiometry. Multiple competing views remain on the correct amount of AgNO3 needed, with no consensus reached on the final answer.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights uncertainties in the assumptions made regarding the behavior of concentrations in solution and the implications of Ksp in the context of precipitate formation.

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Homework Statement



What is the minimum amount of AgNO3, in grams, that has to be added to 2.50L of 0.020M K2CrO4 to produce a precipitate?

Homework Equations



Ksp Ag2CrO4 = 9.0 x 10-12
[Ag+]2[CrO4-2] = 9.0x10-12


The Attempt at a Solution



2AgNO3(aq) + K2CrO4(aq) --> Ag2CrO4(s) + 2KNO3(aq)
Ag2CrO4(s) is the precipitate
The net ionic equation is:
Ag2CrO4(s) --> 2Ag+(aq) + CrO4-2(aq)
Let y represent the concentration of CrO4-2 at equilibrium. The concentration of Ag+ will be 2y due to the 2:1 stoichiometry. Plugging into the solubility equilibrium expression:
[Ag+]2[CrO4-2] = 9.0x10-12
(2y)2(y) = 9.0x10-12
Therefore, y = 1.31 x 10-4 M
So the equilibrium concentration of CrO4-2 is 1.31 x 10-4 M, and the equilibrium concentration of Ag+ is double that, or 2y, or 2.62x10-4M
The initial concentration of CrO4-2 is 0.020M (from the 0.020M K2CrO4). The decrease in concentration of CrO4-2 to form the precipitate is:
0.020M - 1.31 x 10-4M = 0.01987M
The initial concentration of Ag+ (what we're trying to find) decreases by twice this amount, 0.03974M, to reach an equilibrium concentration of 2.62x10-4M (the 2y found earlier).
Initial concentration of Ag+ - 0.03974M = 2.62x10-4M.
Initial concentration = 2.62x10-4M + 0.0397M = 0.040M
Find mass:
0.040M x 2.5L x 170g / mol = 17g
Therefore, 17 g of AgNO3 needs to be added to form a precipitate.
Did I do this correctly? I'm really not sure.<br>
 
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No, it is wrong. You add silver to the solution that contains chromate. Nothing consumes chromate, so its concentration stays constant, and concentration of Ag+ goes up - till you reach solubility product.

Technically when adding silver nitrate as a solution you would dilute chromate a little bit, but we can assume you add it as a solid, not changing solution volume.
 
Oh ok. So you just need 2.62x10-4M of AgNO3.
2.62x10-4M x 2.50L x 170g/mol = 0.11135 grams?
 
No, concentration of silver is much lower than that.

Ksp defines saturated solution concentrations, it doesn't mean ratio of concentrations is given by precipitate stoichiometry. Ksp for AgCl is about 10-10. If you put solid AgCl into water, saturated solution will be 10-5M both in [Ag+] and [Cl-]. However, saturated solution can be also 1M in [Ag+] and 10-10M in [Cl-], or - say - 10-3M in [Ag+] and 10-7M in [Cl-] - if it was prepared by mixing solutions containing these ions in correct quantities.
 
Oh so I made this problem unnecessarily complicated.
[0.020M][Ag+]2 = 9.0x10-12
[Ag+]2 = 2.12x10-5M
2.12x10-5M x 2.5L x 170g/mol = 0.0090 g
 
Is that right?
10 char
 
Yes.
 

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