How Much Will Your Annual £1000 Investment Grow in 25 Years with 5% Interest?

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The discussion revolves around an investment problem involving the growth of an annual £1000 investment over 25 years at a 5% interest rate. Participants are analyzing the correct application of summation formulas to determine the total amount accumulated after the investment period.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are exploring the correct interpretation of the variable N in the context of the summation formula, questioning whether it represents the last term or the number of terms. There are discussions about the correct application of the formula for future value and the implications of the investment timing.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing examination of the formulas used, with some participants clarifying their understanding of the summation limits and the definitions of variables. A few participants have acknowledged typos and are working towards a clearer understanding of the investment growth calculations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note confusion regarding the notation and the implications of the investment timing, particularly how the first investment affects the calculations at the end of the investment period. There is also mention of the need to define the variables clearly to avoid misunderstandings.

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Homework Statement


hello this question is discussed in 2009 but it is closed now

If you invest £1000 on the first day of each year, and interest is paid at 5% on
your balance at the end of each year, how much money do you have after 25
years?

Homework Equations


## S_N=\sum_{n=0}^{N-1} Ar^n##

where N is the last term
r is the common ratio & A is a constant

## S_N= a\frac{1-r^N}{1-r} ##

The Attempt at a Solution



after 25 years i would set N=25 but this will give me a result of £47727. then i have to subtract £1000 because on the first day of each year i invest £1000 therefore i got a result of £46727

but this is the wrong answer

if i set N=26 i will get £51113 and then again subtract £1000
therefore i got a result of £50113 and this is the right answer

my question is why i must put N=26. isn't N the last term and equal to 25?
and is this way of solution right?
 
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Can't follow your equations. "N is the last term"? Wouldn't N be the number of terms/years ?
And then after one year you don't have ##Ar^0## but ##Ar^1##.

Tip: Don't change the notation from one line to the next. A is A, not a.

## S_N= A\frac{1-r^N}{1-r} ## looks weird too. Don't you mean ##
S_N= Ar\frac{\ 1+r^N}{1+r}## so that after 1 year you do have Ar ?

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BvU said:
Can't follow your equations. "N is the last term"? Wouldn't N be the number of terms/years ?
And then after one year you don't have ##Ar^0## but ##Ar^1##.

Tip: Don't change the notation from one line to the next. A is A, not a.

## S_N= A\frac{1-r^N}{1-r} ## looks weird too. Don't you mean ##
S_N= Ar\frac{\ 1+r^N}{1+r}## so that after 1 year you do have Ar ?

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No, his formula is correct as written: ##\sum_{n=0}^N A r^n = A(r^N -1)/(r-1)## is a standard elementary algebra result. Of course, it also equals ##A(1-r^N)/(1-r)##.
 
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Ray Vickson said:
No, his formula is correct as written: ##\sum_{n=0}^N A r^n = A(r^N -1)/(r-1)## is a standard elementary algebra result. Of course, it also equals ##A(1-r^N)/(1-r)##.
If you sum from 0 to N, it is N+1 elements. The correct formula is ##\sum_{n=0}^{N-1} A r^n = A(r^N -1)/(r-1)##
 
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ehild said:
If you sum from 0 to N, it is N+1 element. The correct formula is ##\sum_{n=0}^{N-1} A r^n = A(r^N -1)/(r-1)##

Indeed: that was a typo on my part. I had intended to make the upper summation limit equal N-1, but somehow slipped up.
 
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Sorry for the minus sign - weak moment.

Time to define what A stands for. My impression was that after one year the guy has ##Ar##, not ##
\sum_{n=0}^{0} A r^n = A(r^1 -1)/(r-1) = A##

Time to define what N stands for, too: at the beginning of year 2, they guy has
##
\sum_{n=0}^{1} A r^n = A(r^2 -1)/(r-1) = A(r+1)## and he invests another A ?

I figured r = 1.05 and A = 1000 pounds. Where did I go all wrong ?

$$1000 \,{1.05^{26} - 1\over 1.05 -1} = 51113.45 $$
$$1050 \,{1.05^{25} - 1\over 1.05 -1} = 50113.45 $$ which OP considered the right answer .

The
Pual Black said:
all variables and given/known data
in the template is clearly useful. And includes the list of what values in the problem statement the symbols used stand for ...

:smile:
 
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BvU said:
Can't follow your equations. "N is the last term"? Wouldn't N be the number of terms/years ?
And then after one year you don't have ##Ar^0## but ##Ar^1##.

Tip: Don't change the notation from one line to the next. A is A, not a.

## S_N= A\frac{1-r^N}{1-r} ## looks weird too. Don't you mean ##
S_N= Ar\frac{\ 1+r^N}{1+r}## so that after 1 year you do have Ar ?

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yes you are right N is the number of terms
and i get it now. first i invest £1000 so i have nothing at this moment after one year i have £1000*1.05= £1050
so i start with £1050=Ar
 
Pual Black said:
yes you are right N is the number of terms
and i get it now. first i invest £1000 so i have nothing at this moment after one year i have £1000*1.05= £1050
so i start with £1050=Ar

Easier: just write it out correctly from the start. If ##r = 1.05##, ##A = 1000## and ##N = 25##, the value you want is the "future value" ##F##:
F = A r + A r^2 + \cdots + A r^N = A r \sum_{n=0}^{N-1} r^n
Basically, the final ##A## at the start of year 25 becomes ##Ar## at the end of year 25. The second-last ##A## at the start of year 24 becomes ##A r^2## at the end of year 25, and so forth.
 
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