How realistic is a time compression vacation destination with a high rate?

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The discussion revolves around the hypothetical concept of a vacation destination in space where time is significantly compressed relative to Earth. Participants explore the feasibility of such an environment based on existing physics theories, particularly focusing on time dilation and relativistic effects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the possibility of finding a cosmic environment where time is compressed at a rate of 1 day on Earth equating to 14 days in the hypothetical environment.
  • Another participant asserts that even in deep space, the time rate difference would not approach the proposed compression rate.
  • Some participants suggest that for significant time dilation to occur, the Earth would need to be traveling close to the speed of light relative to the hypothetical environment.
  • There is a discussion about the relativity of velocity, indicating that from Earth's perspective, the hypothetical environment would be the one moving at relativistic speeds, complicating the understanding of time dilation.
  • One participant references a science fiction scenario from "Stargate" to illustrate the concept of time manipulation, questioning the realism of such portrayals.
  • Another participant proposes that future discoveries may reveal unknown phenomena that could allow for time compression, drawing on the idea that human perception of time can vary.
  • A suggestion is made to consider the narrative aspects of the story, emphasizing the creative freedom in fiction while acknowledging the current limitations of scientific understanding.
  • A reference to the novel "Dragon's Egg" is provided as potential inspiration, highlighting a scenario where time progresses differently due to the unique properties of neutron star matter.
  • One participant shares a detail about the fictional vacation destination, noting the irony of humans aging faster while seeking a longer vacation experience.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some asserting that the proposed time compression is not feasible under current physics, while others entertain the possibility of future discoveries. The discussion remains unresolved, with competing ideas about the nature of time and relativity.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of relativity and time dilation, and there are unresolved questions about the implications of relative motion on time perception.

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Hi!

Could you help me, please, in a hypothetical situation that involve advanced physics knowledge? I am going to write a science fiction novel, and in order to avoid major scientific mistake, I would need your help.

Is it possible, according existing physics theories, to find in cosmos an environment where the time is significant compressed - the referential point is the Earth. My scenario is based on a high compression rate - 1 day on Earth equal with 14 days in the hypothetical environment. Could be possible to find a planet with such a low density and a slow velocity to make this possible?!

Thank you in advanced!
 
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No. Even if you were floating in deep space, away from any source of gravity, the time rate difference between you and the Earth wouldn't even come close to that.
 
The Earth would have to be traveling close to the speed of light relative to the hypothetical environment.
 
Are you asking for a place with much less time dilation relative to Earth? I don't think so, at least off the top of my head. I'm not familiar enough with Relativity to say anything for sure, but I really don't think so.
 
dacruick said:
The Earth would have to be traveling close to the speed of light relative to the hypothetical environment.

The problem is that velocity is relative, so from the Earth, the hypothetical environment would be what was moving close to the speed of light. So there is no definitive manner to say who's time is running slower.
 
Janus said:
The problem is that velocity is relative, so from the Earth, the hypothetical environment would be what was moving close to the speed of light. So there is no definitive manner to say who's time is running slower.

That's true...nothing makes sense is the conclusion. Because if both planet A and B are traveling the speed of light relative to each other, then how does time dilation work?
 
They did it on Stargate ??
where Colonel Jack O'Neill ventured through the "field" into the cave and his time sped up by 3000% or so. Daniel sent in his camera on a stick to take a video and when they pulled it out the batteries were dead. And oh yes those clothingless aliens put the replicators in a time freeze with a type of time bomb.
So you mean that show is all just fantasy??
 
Maybe in the future many things that we thought are impossible will happen. There are many unknown phenomena in Universe and, playing with their supposed property, I thought it could be found a hypothetical time compression theory (in contact movie works)

The human brain is capable to compress time, we dream only few minutes but the dream expands during hours or even days. Maybe I wanted to push too hard the limit of the physics, but I am looking for a crazy idea to give a realistic approach to this time dilation.

Thank you so much for your answer!
 
nemorosa said:
Maybe in the future many things that we thought are impossible will happen. There are many unknown phenomena in Universe and, playing with their supposed property, I thought it could be found a hypothetical time compression theory (in contact movie works)

The human brain is capable to compress time, we dream only few minutes but the dream expands during hours or even days. Maybe I wanted to push too hard the limit of the physics, but I am looking for a crazy idea to give a realistic approach to this time dilation.

Thank you so much for your answer!
Why don't you tell us a little more about the story. Maybe the premise, or some portion(s) of it, can be approached in a different manner. Our universe, and our place in time and physical location within this universe, may that of what was an incalculable number of possibilities.The result of testing one hypothesis may be disappointing, but it may be only one step on the path to, and through, a myriad of other ideas, conclusions and possibilities. When you read a fictional book, that touches on interesting elements of our understanding of the physical universe and its many possibilities, you rarely know much more than the end result. You have no idea what interesting concepts were discarded, how many theories were exhausted nor how much frustration the author endured. The waste baskets, both physical and mental, of Einstein, Tesla, many science fiction writers and numerous other other geniuses and theoreticians are probably awe inspiring. Don't dream of writing one great story: Dream of writing a million. No idea is too small nor too great. Write them down in journals. Euclid, Archimedes and Newton built upon preexisting foundations. They were modest people that basically acknowledged that some inventions/concepts, like the the wheel, were magnificent but wasted no time moving on from there. I challenge you not to gamble with possibility.EDIT: Communication and travel , if any, would need to factor in.
 
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nemorosa said:
Maybe in the future many things that we thought are impossible will happen. There are many unknown phenomena in Universe and, playing with their supposed property, I thought it could be found a hypothetical time compression theory (in contact movie works)

The human brain is capable to compress time, we dream only few minutes but the dream expands during hours or even days. Maybe I wanted to push too hard the limit of the physics, but I am looking for a crazy idea to give a realistic approach to this time dilation.

Thank you so much for your answer!

The beauty of fiction is that you can do anything you want to and don't have to worry about the details behind it too much. There is currently no known way to speed up time somewhere. But that doesn't mean that there 100% isn't one and will never be one. No one can see the future.
 
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The Novel Dragon's egg might give you some inspiration for this. In it a neutron star passes nearby the solar system. Taking advantage of this unique opportunity a manned mission is sent to go and do some nifty science, when they get their they discover that an ecology based on neutron star matter has evolved however due to the nature of the speed of nuclear matter reactions compared to normal matter the ecology progresses 1 million times faster.
 
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A little detail from my novel: this hypothetical environment it's a vacation/relaxing destination. Even the human knows that are aging fast in there, they take this dangerous chance to have a longer vacation. It's an irony that I will treat in detail in the final of the novel.

I came on this forum because, even it's a sf supposition, I have to build this place giving some details about unknown/interesting phenomena that could happened in this hypothetical environment.

I really appreciate all your kind support. Thank you!
 

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