How sensitive are gieger counters?

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The discussion revolves around the sensitivity of Geiger counters in detecting trace amounts of radiation, particularly in the context of materials like polonium found in cigarettes. Participants explore what constitutes a "trace amount" and the implications of different measurements of radioactivity.

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  • One participant questions the definition of "trace" radiation, suggesting it is context-dependent and lacks a formal scientific definition.
  • Another participant proposes that "trace radiation" could be considered as 1/10 of the EPA safe guidelines, which they argue is well below background radiation levels.
  • It is mentioned that Geiger counters' sensitivity is determined by the manufacturer's specifications, and they are not the only means of detecting radiation.
  • A participant explains that 0.01 microCurie (uCi) corresponds to 370 decays per second (Bq), which they assert is easily detectable by a Geiger counter.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of information provided by Geiger counters regarding the type and energy of the detected radiation.

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Participants express differing views on the definition of "trace" radiation and the sensitivity of Geiger counters. There is no consensus on what constitutes a trace amount or the implications of the measurements discussed.

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Participants reference varying standards and guidelines from different countries, indicating that definitions and acceptable levels of radiation exposure may differ based on regional regulations and historical context.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals studying radiation detection, environmental safety, or those curious about the practical applications and limitations of Geiger counters in detecting low levels of radiation.

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So obviously you've all watched a movie where some FBI dude shows up with a geiger counter and it's able to detect trace radiation on someone who has simply handled it in a briefcase or something. My question is polonium for example is found in many things including cigarettes so what is classed as a trace amount?

I'm seeing samples being sold with an alpha activity of 0.01uCi whatever that means. Would a Geiger counter be able to pick up such a small amount? Sorry if my question doesn't make sense or is a bit vague I'm just curios as to how true movies are when relating to real scenarios
 
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"Trace" is whatever the TV shows says it is.
There is no formal, scientific, definition. It is a quantity which is "negligible" - so it depends on the context.
It would be reasonable for "trace radiation" to be 1/10 of the EPA safe guidelines... well below background.

Geiger counters are as sensitive as the manufacturer says it is.
They are not the only way to detect radiation.
uCi is "microCurie" - you can look up what it means.
For comparison - also look up the EPA guidelines: they are set so you'd need to be exposed for over a lifetime before you have a risk of getting sick off it.
You'll remember some fuss a while back over Texas drinking water?
 
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Simon Bridge said:
"Trace" is whatever the TV shows says it is.
There is no formal, scientific, definition. It is a quantity which is "negligible" - so it depends on the context.
It would be reasonable for "trace radiation" to be 1/10 of the EPA safe guidelines... well below background.

Geiger counters are as sensitive as the manufacturer says it is.
They are not the only way to detect radiation.
uCi is "microCurie" - you can look up what it means.
For comparison - also look up the EPA guidelines: they are set so you'd need to be exposed for over a lifetime before you have a risk of getting sick off it.
You'll remember some fuss a while back over Texas drinking water?


Thanks for the answers, and actually no I don't remember that fuss as I'm in the UK so my news is probably not your news :D
 
MathJakob said:
Thanks for the answers, and actually no I don't remember that fuss as I'm in the UK so my news is probably not your news :D
I'm in NZ and still managed to hear about it ;)

UK government has similar standards to ours - available from HSE. The standards are based on studies going back to the Curies groundbreaking research and arising later from industry experience such as the radium girls'.

As for what it means...
See the Rad FAQ for notes on comparing different measures - in case you are used to something else.
 
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MathJakob said:
I'm seeing samples being sold with an alpha activity of 0.01uCi whatever that means.

1 Ci corresponds to 3.7 10^10 Bq or decays per second. So 0.01 uCi is 370 Bq. That's easy to detect with a Geiger counter. In fact, a Geiger counter is a very sensitive device. However, you don't get any information on the type and energy of the radiation being detected from it.
 

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