How to approximate instantaneous rate of change

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around approximating the instantaneous rate of change of the function f(x) = 2100/x at a specific point, 100 millibars. Participants explore methods for calculating the slope of the tangent line using values close to the point of interest, discussing both the mathematical approach and the reasoning behind choosing specific values.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Homework-related, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the y-value at 100 millibars to be 21 and questions how to choose nearby values for better approximation.
  • Another participant suggests using the formula for slope, $$\frac{f(x_2)-f(x_1)}{x_2-x_1}$$, and asks for the results of the calculations with specific nearby points.
  • There is confusion regarding the selection of values slightly larger and smaller than 100, with one participant expressing uncertainty about arriving at the expected slope of -0.21.
  • One participant provides calculated values for f(100.00001) and f(99.9999) and indicates they have arrived at an answer, but questions how to proceed without given test values.
  • A later reply suggests that in a calculus context, approximations will soon be unnecessary, and recommends starting with small increments or decrements if no values are provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the correct method for selecting nearby values and calculating the slope, with no consensus on how to approach the problem without provided test values.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of using approximations and the dependence on the choice of nearby values for accurate slope calculation, but do not resolve these issues.

Raerin
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The function for attitude vs air pressure is f(x) = 2100/x

1. Approximate the instantaneous rate of change at 100 millibars
a) Use the equation to calculate the point (100,___)


I found the y-value to be 21.

b) We need two points to calculate a slope, so to approximate the tangent line we use the equation to calculate a point very close to 100: (100.00001, ______) or (99.9999,_____)


So for the y-value are you supposed to find a number close to 21? But how do you decide what number is the most appropriate? Do you just put in any number of decimals you want?

I did 21.00001 where the slope equals 1. But, apparently slope is supposed to be -0.21. I have no idea how you come to that conclusion.
 
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To approximate the slope there you can use:

$$\frac{f(x_2)-f(x_1)}{x_2-x_1}$$

where $x_2$ is very slightly larger than the true $x$ you are looking at and $x_1$ is slightly smaller. What do you get now?
 
Jameson said:
To approximate the slope there you can use:

$$\frac{f(x_2)-f(x_1)}{x_2-x_1}$$

where $x_2$ is very slightly larger than the true $x$ you are looking at and $x_1$ is slightly smaller. What do you get now?

I know that, but how do you determine the number that is slightly larger? I did:

21.00001 - 21/100.00001 - 100

This gave me a slope of 1, but the slope is supposed to be -0.21. I don't know how you get the correct answer.
 
Raerin said:
I know that, but how do you determine the number that is slightly larger? I did:

21.00001 - 21/100.00001 - 100

This gave me a slope of 1, but the slope is supposed to be -0.21. I don't know how you get the correct answer.

They gave these to you. 100.00001 and 99.9999. Plug those into $f(x)$ to find the numerator. What are $f(100.00001)$ and $f(99.9999)$?
 
For f(100.00001) I got 20.9999979
For f(99.9999) I got 21.000021

Okay, I got the answer.

So, what if they didn't give me a number? what do I do then?
 
Well if this is for a calculus class then you won't have to use approximations much longer as you'll be able to calculate the true instantaneous slope but if you aren't given any test values for $x$ then I would start with adding and subtracting .0001 or so and then see how that answer looks. If it doesn't seem to be close to a certain value then maybe try adding and subtracting something smaller.
 

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