How to Avoid Breaking Physics With Your “What If” Question

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The discussion revolves around the nature of "what if" questions in physics, particularly those that may contradict established principles or contain internal contradictions. Participants explore the implications of such questions and the challenges they present for students seeking to engage with physics concepts.

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  • Some participants categorize "what if" questions into three types: those that contradict known physics, those that are self-contradictory, and those that can be answered with difficulty.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to frame a question that violates physical laws, specifically regarding the existence of quarks and their implications for physics.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of framing questions correctly to avoid misunderstandings, noting that statements presented as arguments can lead to confusion.
  • There is a shared sentiment about the need for a space where individuals can ask seemingly "stupid" questions without fear of judgment, especially when faced with contradictions in physics.

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Participants generally agree on the need for a supportive environment for asking unconventional questions, but there is no consensus on how to effectively categorize or address the various types of "what if" questions discussed.

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Participants acknowledge that physics principles are often taught in isolation, which may lead to confusion when students attempt to extrapolate concepts. The discussion highlights the limitations of framing questions and the potential for misunderstanding when contradictions are involved.

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We get a lot of “what if” questions here on Physics Forums. This article will explore three different types and then some suggestions for students who feel their questions may fall into one of those types.

“what if” questions that contradict physics as we know it
“what if” questions that are themselves self-contradictory
“what if” questions that can be answered but with some difficulty
suggestions for the student


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This is an incredibly useful post as someone new to forums, and rather unsure how and if to post something I've worked on. Thanks phinds!
 
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I know old thread.
@phinds, "What if" questions are par for the course.

Physics principles are taught in isolation, with an unstated "given all other things". The student is left to extrapolate for themselves.
I have a question of my own that violates the laws, and I am not sure how to ask it now.

Isn't
“I know that the atom is not the smallest thing in existence but could physics be made to work if quarks did not exist?”
in the same category as
“What would be the effect if there were no back EMF in a DC motor?”,
I am assuming there is some evidence for the existence of quarks.

There is a need for a place to ask 'stupid' questions and get a quick answer. Stupid questions tend to arise when we are asked to believe a contradiction
 
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mattrix said:
There is a need for a place to ask 'stupid' questions and get a quick answer. Stupid questions tend to arise when we are asked to believe a contradiction
Just make sure you frame it as a question and you should be fine. Framing as a statement/argument like "twins paradox proves special relativity is wrong" is how you get in trouble.
 
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