What Is the Physical Significance of Logarithmic IV Graphs in Diodes?

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The discussion revolves around the physical significance of logarithmic IV graphs in diodes, particularly focusing on the implications of plotting current (I) against voltage (V) on a logarithmic scale. Participants explore the characteristics of diode behavior, the relationship between current and voltage, and comparisons to exponential growth.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that plotting I against V for different diodes results in straight lines on a logarithmic scale, suggesting a logarithmic behavior.
  • Another participant questions the significance of this logarithmic relationship, comparing it to other mathematical relationships, such as the square law under constant acceleration.
  • A further contribution states that plotting the logarithm of an exponential function on a log scale will yield a straight line, implying a mathematical consistency rather than a physical significance.
  • One participant suggests that deriving the diode equation could provide more insight into the physical significance of the observed logarithmic behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the physical significance of the logarithmic behavior observed in the diode IV graphs. There is no consensus on what this significance might entail, and multiple perspectives on the relationship between logarithmic and exponential growth are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the diode equation and its relevance, but there are no detailed derivations or explanations provided in the discussion. The implications of the logarithmic relationship remain unresolved.

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If we plot logI against V for a diode we get a straight line, but what does that mean?
Hello there,
I've been working through a task (that doesn't have an answer sheet or explanation) in which we plot I against V for three different diodes. Each has a different threshold voltage and displays the usual charcteristic curve. The final question is this:
"It is suggested that the behviour of a diode is logarithmic. Plot a graph of I against V using a base 10 logarithmic scale for the current axis. Discuss whether your graph supports this suggestion."

So, if you do this for the data given you get three straight lines with similar gradients. So I'd say 'Yes, this behaviour appears to be logarithmic'.

But, what does this mean? What is the physical significance? What else can we look at that 'grows logarithmically'? How does this compare to exponential growth, perhaps?

Any help or suggestions are welcome :)
~Owls
 

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OwlsInATrenchcoat said:
Summary:: If we plot logI against V for a diode we get a straight line, but what does that mean?

Hello there,
I've been working through a task (that doesn't have an answer sheet or explanation) in which we plot I against V for three different diodes. Each has a different threshold voltage and displays the usual charcteristic curve. The final question is this:
"It is suggested that the behviour of a diode is logarithmic. Plot a graph of I against V using a base 10 logarithmic scale for the current axis. Discuss whether your graph supports this suggestion."

So, if you do this for the data given you get three straight lines with similar gradients. So I'd say 'Yes, this behaviour appears to be logarithmic'.

But, what does this mean? What is the physical significance? What else can we look at that 'grows logarithmically'? How does this compare to exponential growth, perhaps?

Any help or suggestions are welcome :)
~Owls
Welcome to PhysicsForums. :smile:

Are you familiar with the Diode Equation? It's fundamental to the operation of semiconductor junctions (like your diode):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shockley_diode_equation

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OwlsInATrenchcoat said:
Summary:: If we plot logI against V for a diode we get a straight line, but what does that mean?

But, what does this mean? What is the physical significance? What else can we look at that 'grows logarithmically'? How does this compare to exponential growth, perhaps?
I'm not sure about "significance". The relationship between two variables happens to be logarithmic. That is no more significant than the square law relationship between distance and time under constant acceleration. Log or exponential relationship is just the result of doing what's allowed in any equations - the same thing to each side.
 
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OwlsInATrenchcoat said:
Summary:: If we plot logI against V for a diode we get a straight line, but what does that mean?
It means that if you plot the log of an exponential on a log scale, you get a straight line.
But, what does this mean? What is the physical significance? What else can we look at that 'grows logarithmically'? How does this compare to exponential growth, perhaps?
A derivation of the diode equation would help with that question.
 

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