How to Calculate Magnetic Field on an Axis Through a Square Wire Loop?

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The original poster attempts to calculate the magnetic field at a point P along an axis that passes through the center of a square wire loop carrying current I. The square loop is situated in a plane perpendicular to the axis of interest. The problem involves applying the Biot-Savart law to determine the magnetic field contributions from each segment of the wire loop.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the geometry of the setup, including the placement of the current element dl and the distances involved. There are attempts to derive the necessary angles for applying the Biot-Savart law, with some participants questioning the definitions and assumptions regarding the angles and distances.

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Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing insights and clarifications about the geometry and the application of the Biot-Savart law. There is a collaborative effort to understand the relationships between the various elements involved, though no consensus has been reached on the final approach or calculations.

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Participants are navigating through potential misunderstandings regarding the angles and distances in the context of the Biot-Savart law. There is an emphasis on ensuring clarity in the geometric relationships, particularly concerning the placement of the current element and the point P.

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Homework Statement


I must calculate the magnetic field for any point [tex]P[/tex] on an axis passing through the middle of a square wire loop (whose radius is [tex]a[/tex] and current is [tex]I[/tex]).
The situation is such that the square wire is on a plane that is perpendicular to the axis in which I must calculate the magnetic field. If the situation is unclear, please tell it to me so that I scan a sketch of the situation.

Homework Equations



Biot-Savart, despite the symmetry, I don't think that Ampère's law can be useful.

The Attempt at a Solution



I drew a sketch as follow : a horizontal axis (called x-axis) passing in the center of a square with radius [tex]a[/tex]. I drew the square such that its sides coincide with up-bottom-left-right directions, for the sake of simplicity.
Let [tex]\theta (x)[/tex] be the angle measured from the point [tex]P[/tex], between the x-axis and the upper side of the square. I have that [tex]\theta (x)= \frac{a}{2} \cdot \frac{1}{x} \Rightarrow \theta = \arctan \left ( \frac{a}{2x} \right )[/tex].
I've found this angle because I wanted to know the angle within [tex]\vec l[/tex] and [tex]\vec r[/tex] in Biot-Savart law. This is where I'm stuck. Am I in the right direction?

From B-S law : [tex]\vec B =\frac{\mu _0}{4 \pi} I \int d\vec l \times \frac{d \vec r}{r^3}[/tex].

So I wanted to calculate the contribution of each side of the square on the magnetic field situated at point [tex]P[/tex].
 
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Consider a current element dl at a distance l from the center of the conductor.
Can you find the distance r from dl to P?
If O is the center of the loop, draw a parallel line through O to the upper wire.If A is the position of dl from the center of the wire, Draw AB perpendicular to the parallel line. Now you can find the angle BAP which is needed in Biot-Savart Law
 
Thank you for helping!


rl.bhat said:
Consider a current element dl at a distance l from the center of the conductor.
Hmm, on the axis passing through the center of the loop and by point P?
Can you find the distance r from dl to P?
I guess yes, but I'm unsure where to place dl.
If O is the center of the loop, draw a parallel line through O to the upper wire.If A is the position of dl from the center of the wire, Draw AB perpendicular to the parallel line. Now you can find the angle BAP which is needed in Biot-Savart Law
Waiting for a little clarification.

Anyway, here comes my sketch, in case of confusion :
 

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dl is a small element of anyone wire at a distance l from the center of the wire.
 
rl.bhat said:
dl is a small element of anyone wire at a distance l from the center of the wire.

Ah then [tex]r=\sqrt{x^2+l^2}[/tex] where [tex]x[/tex] is the distance from the center of the conductor (see figure).
I will try to follow your instructions.

Edit: I reached [tex]\theta= \arccos \left ( \frac{a}{2 \sqrt{x^2+l^2}} \right )[/tex]. Where [tex]\theta[/tex] is the angle BAP.
 
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The distance AP = sqrt[l^2 + x^2 + (a/2)^2]
And sin( BAP) = l/sqrt[l^2 + x^2 + (a/2)^2]
Direction of th field is not in the direction of the x-axis. You have to resolve them to get the net field along x-axis.
 
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rl.bhat said:
The distance AP = sqrt[l^2 + x^2 + (a/2)^2]
And sin( BAP) = sqrt(l^2 + x^2)/[l^2 + x^2 + (a/2)^2]
Direction of th field is not in the direction of the x-axis. You have to resolve them to get the net field along x-axis.

Ok thanks a lot. I will try to understand my error about the distance AP.
 
Sorry to bother again, I still don't reach the angle BAP.
Here's the picture of how I understood how to plot everything. Please tell me if there's a confusion somewhere.
Which gave me [tex]\sin \theta = \sqrt{r^2- \frac{a^2}{4}} \cdot \frac{1}{r}[/tex] where [tex]r= \sqrt{l^2+x^2}[/tex].
I don't really know why you've searched for [tex]\sin \theta[/tex] instead of [tex]\cos \theta[/tex] since [tex]\vec l \times \vec r = lr\cos \theta[/tex].
At last I obtained [tex]B= \frac{\mu _0Ia^2}{8 \pi r^3}[/tex] which I almost know it's wrong. I should probably get something over [tex]r[/tex], not [tex]r^3[/tex].
 

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In the figure OB = l, OP = x and BP = sqrt(l^2 + x^2)
BA = a/2. So AP = r = sqrt[l^2 + x^2 + (a/2)^2]
AXB = ABsinθ.
Here sinθ = x/r.
 
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rl.bhat said:
In the figure OB = l, OP = x and BP = sqrt(l^2 + x^2)
BA = a/2. So AP = r = sqrt[l^2 + x^2 + (a/2)^2]
AXB = ABsinθ.
Here sinθ = x/r.

I understand all until you wrote "Here sinθ = x/r". So you've considered the angle θ as [tex]OPA[/tex] ? If so then everything's fine.
I still don't see why I needed [tex]\sin \theta[/tex] instead of [tex]\cos \theta[/tex].
 
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If A' is the point on the wire vertically above O, to find the field at P, I want the angle A'AP and sine of that angle. To find the field we need the angle between current element I*Δl and r.
 
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rl.bhat said:
If A' is the point on the wire vertically above O, to find the field at P, I want the angle A'AP and sine of that angle. To find the field we need the angle between current element I*Δl and r.
Ah ok, I think I see a bit better. At least I understand why we search this angle [tex]\theta[/tex], but still not its sine.
However in this case I have that the distance between A' and P is [tex]\sqrt {\left ( \frac{a^2}{2} \right ) +x^2}[/tex] and not x. Thus [tex]\sin \theta = \sqrt {\left ( \frac{a^2}{2} \right ) +x^2} \cdot \frac{1}{r}= \sqrt {\left ( \frac{a^2}{2} \right ) +x^2} \cdot \sqrt{l^2+x^2}[/tex].
 
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Yes. Your sinθ is correct. But what is l? dl is a small segment on the wire. So put OA = sqrt(OA'^2 + A'A^2). And write 1/r
 

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