How to calculate the foraging radius of a bird?

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The discussion revolves around verifying a specific equation from a research paper related to calculating the foraging radius of a bird. Participants are examining the equation's structure, inputs, and the resulting calculations, which involve various parameters such as energy, weight, and time.

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  • One participant requests verification of an equation from a paper, providing the equation in LaTeX format and its parameters.
  • Another participant points out a potential issue with unbalanced parentheses in the equation's numerator, questioning whether a parenthesis is missing.
  • A later reply corrects the parameters provided, indicating a change in the values for some variables.
  • One participant shares their calculation result of 1693, expressing doubt about the correctness of their arithmetic or the formula itself, and notes potential issues with unit consistency.
  • Another participant mentions being unable to access the paper due to a paywall, limiting their ability to verify the equation or their calculations.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the equation or the calculations, with multiple competing views and uncertainties expressed regarding the formula and its application.

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Manassa Mauler
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I would love someone to verify the answer for equation 8 in this paper (bottom of page 263) http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1365-2028.2002.00368.x/epdf

For the sake of clarity here is the equation is LaTeX which you can render at the following link
\frac{QC + Q\lambda \sigma - T(_{Ema + \frac{_{Emc}}{2}}))}{2k + \frac{2Qd}{V}}
https://www.codecogs.com/latex/eqneditor.php

The inputs are:
Q = 5.2 * 10^6 Joules
C =1.5 kg
lambda = 0.055 kg per hour
sigma = 12 hours
T = 48 hours
Ema = 42 Watts
Emc =24 Watts
k=2 Joules per meter
V =45 km per hour
The answer should be 205 km

Thanks!
 
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\frac{QC + Q\lambda \sigma - T(_{Ema + \frac{_{Emc}}{2}}))}{2k + \frac{2Qd}{V}}
 
Well. it seems to me the parentheses are unbalanced in the numerator, is one "open" parenthesis missing somewhere? Or can we assume it is okay to drop the very last one?
 
I apologise but I was incorrect when I looked at it again. Here is the correct version
Q <- 5.2 * 10^6 Joules
C <- 1.5 kg
d <- 0.055 kg per hour
t <- 12 hours
Time <- 48 hours
Ema <- 24 Watts
Emc <- 42 Watts
k <- 2 joules per meter
V <- 45 km per hour
Thanks for looking at this Jim
CodeCogsEqn.png
 
Show your work, please. I get 1693. But what you posted may not be what you and I solved.
My calculation seems ridiculous to me. So I am guessing the formula has a problem - or I can't do arithmetic. Either is possible. Plus, I think there may be a problem with units.

PS: the paper you linked is behind a paywall for me. So I cannot verify anything including my work.
 
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