How to calculate the horizontal shift?

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The discussion centers on understanding the concept of horizontal shift in relation to displacement and acceleration. Participants clarify that horizontal shift refers to the displacement caused by factors such as height and the Earth's rotation. There is confusion regarding the correct forces at play, with a distinction made between centripetal and centrifugal forces in different frames of reference. The calculation of horizontal displacement is debated, with references to initial and final positions and the role of acceleration. Ultimately, the focus is on how to accurately compute the horizontal shift considering these variables.
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I have a homework problem where we consider a point over the earth's surface, which is in a different parallel to the equator. There is a centrifugal force due to the rotation of the earth. (there is an attached figure of this).
I need to calculate the horizontal shift due to a_{cx} of an object falls vertically from 50 m above this point.
Relevant Equations
a_{cy} = \omega^2 R \cos{\theta}^{2} and
a_{cx} =\omega^2 R \sin{\theta} \cos{\theta}
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I don't understand what horizontal shift means. I believe that means calculate the horizontal component of a_cx. But when I do that a_{cx} is in terms only of the angle and the radius of the earth. But what I need is to include the 50 m vertical distance, so I think that maybe we need to use a_{cy} too and calculate the net acceleration acting at this point. But I don't really know. I am pretty lost.
 
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centinela20 said:
what horizontal shift means
I would take it as meaning displacement, hence the need to specify the height.

Btw, you do not mean "There is a centripetal force due to the rotation of the earth." In the rotating frame there is a centrifugal force. Centripetal force is usually considered in an inertial frame, but it is not an applied force; it is the radial component of the net of the applied forces.
 
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haruspex said:
I would take it as meaning displacement, hence the need to specify the height.

Btw, you do not mean "There is a centripetal force due to the rotation of the earth." In the rotating frame there is a centrifugal force. Centripetal force is usually considered in an inertial frame, but it is not an applied force; it is the radial component of the net of the applied forces.
Yes, sorry that was a typo mistake.
So if I take it as a displacement it would be ##\triangle x = p_{final} - p_{initial} ##
and the initial postition is the 50 m,
is the final position ## x= \frac{1}{2} a_{cx}t^2## ?
 
centinela20 said:
Yes, sorry that was a typo mistake.
So if I take it as a displacement it would be ##\triangle x = p_{final} - p_{initial} ##
and the initial postition is the 50 m,
is the final position ## x= \frac{1}{2} a_{cx}t^2## ?
No, horizontal displacement, i.e. how far it lands from where it would have landed if not for Earth's rotation.
 
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