How to calculate the horizontal shift?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the concept of horizontal shift in the context of physics, particularly related to motion and forces acting on an object influenced by the Earth's rotation. Participants are exploring the relationship between horizontal displacement and vertical distance in a scenario involving acceleration.

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  • Participants are attempting to define horizontal shift and its implications, questioning whether it relates to displacement and how to incorporate vertical distance into calculations. There is also discussion about the distinction between centripetal and centrifugal forces in a rotating frame.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants expressing confusion and seeking clarification on definitions and relationships between variables. Some have offered insights regarding the nature of forces involved, while others are exploring the mathematical relationships without reaching a consensus.

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There is mention of a specific vertical distance of 50 m that may influence the calculations, and participants are considering how this height affects the horizontal shift. The conversation reflects a mix of interpretations regarding the definitions and the physical setup of the problem.

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I have a homework problem where we consider a point over the earth's surface, which is in a different parallel to the equator. There is a centrifugal force due to the rotation of the earth. (there is an attached figure of this).
I need to calculate the horizontal shift due to a_{cx} of an object falls vertically from 50 m above this point.
Relevant Equations
a_{cy} = \omega^2 R \cos{\theta}^{2} and
a_{cx} =\omega^2 R \sin{\theta} \cos{\theta}
centripetalaceleration.png

I don't understand what horizontal shift means. I believe that means calculate the horizontal component of a_cx. But when I do that a_{cx} is in terms only of the angle and the radius of the earth. But what I need is to include the 50 m vertical distance, so I think that maybe we need to use a_{cy} too and calculate the net acceleration acting at this point. But I don't really know. I am pretty lost.
 
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centinela20 said:
what horizontal shift means
I would take it as meaning displacement, hence the need to specify the height.

Btw, you do not mean "There is a centripetal force due to the rotation of the earth." In the rotating frame there is a centrifugal force. Centripetal force is usually considered in an inertial frame, but it is not an applied force; it is the radial component of the net of the applied forces.
 
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haruspex said:
I would take it as meaning displacement, hence the need to specify the height.

Btw, you do not mean "There is a centripetal force due to the rotation of the earth." In the rotating frame there is a centrifugal force. Centripetal force is usually considered in an inertial frame, but it is not an applied force; it is the radial component of the net of the applied forces.
Yes, sorry that was a typo mistake.
So if I take it as a displacement it would be ##\triangle x = p_{final} - p_{initial} ##
and the initial postition is the 50 m,
is the final position ## x= \frac{1}{2} a_{cx}t^2## ?
 
centinela20 said:
Yes, sorry that was a typo mistake.
So if I take it as a displacement it would be ##\triangle x = p_{final} - p_{initial} ##
and the initial postition is the 50 m,
is the final position ## x= \frac{1}{2} a_{cx}t^2## ?
No, horizontal displacement, i.e. how far it lands from where it would have landed if not for Earth's rotation.
 
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