How to Calculate the Length of Octanthiols in All-Trans Configuration?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the length of octanthiols in a fully stretched all-trans configuration, specifically the structural formula HS-C7H17-CH3. Participants explore methods for measurement and calculation, considering factors such as bond lengths and molecular geometry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant used Avogadro software to model the structure and measured a distance of approximately 10.xx Angström from the sulfur atom to the last carbon, questioning the accuracy of this result.
  • Another participant referenced external resources discussing bond lengths and suggested that factors like geometry and folding should be considered in the calculations.
  • A participant proposed that calculating the length in a fully stretched configuration could be approached as a simple geometry problem, noting that bond lengths are generally constant.
  • There was a correction regarding the alkyl chain, clarifying that it should be -C7H14 instead of -C7H17.
  • One participant suggested a method involving the addition of covalent radii of S-C and C-C bonds, followed by geometric calculations to determine the total length.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on the best method for calculating the length of octanthiols, and multiple approaches and considerations are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants noted the importance of bond lengths and geometry but did not fully resolve how these factors interact in the context of octanthiols.

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Hello everyone!

The goal is to calculate the length of octanthiols in full stretched all-trans configuration. The structural formula is HS-C_7H_17-CH_3 witch is an alkyl chain terminated with sulfur.

I used Avogadro software to build and model the structure. After i let it measure the distance from the head sulfur atom to the last carbon but i wonder how correct the results are. It says 10.xx Angström.

How would you perform such a calculation?

Greetings
 
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There some discussion here along with a table describing measured length for single and double bonds based on atomic number:

http://chemwiki.ucdavis.edu/Core/Th...es_of_Chemical_Bonding/Bond_Order_and_Lengths

and the table:

http://chemwiki.ucdavis.edu/Reference/Reference_Tables/Atomic_and_Molecular_Properties/A3:_Covalent_Radii

There are probably other things beside bond length such as its geometry and how its folded that you must consider as well in your calculation. However, someone more knowledgeable than me will have to answer that.
 
If it is just a full stretched all-trans configuration it sounds like a simple geometry problem - angles are known and bond lengths are quite constant in such a setup.

Are you sure about the -C7H17- part? Not -C7H14- ?
 
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Yeah its ##H_{14}## thank you!

So what i extraxt after reading the articles is the following method: add covalent radii of S-C and C-C bonds and divide it by 2 to get the bond length. Then apply geometric calculation witch respects the angles to get the total length.

Thank you!
 

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