Undergrad Compute Gradient in GR: Step-by-Step Guide

  • Thread starter Thread starter John Greger
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Gr Gradient
Click For Summary
The discussion focuses on computing the extrinsic curvature for a bubble's interior and exterior metrics, specifically using the formula provided. The user expresses confusion about substituting values into the curvature equation and how to correctly apply the Einstein summation convention for the indices involved. Clarification is provided that each component of the extrinsic curvature requires summing over all possible values of the indices, leading to multiple terms. The user is seeking guidance on the correct approach to arrive at the desired expression for the curvature. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding index summation in tensor calculations.
John Greger
Messages
34
Reaction score
1
TL;DR
I'm trying to compute the extrinsic curvature. I have the formula and everything I need to plug into the formula. But I get confused when executing this calculation..
I'm trying to compute the extrinsic curvature. I have the formula and everything I need to plug into the formula. But I get confused when executing this calculation..

I have that ##ds^2_{interior} = -u(r)dt^2 + (u(r))^{-1} dr^2 + r^2 d\Omega_3^2##. This is a metric describing the interior and exterior of a bubble. The extrinsic curvacture is given by
\begin{equation}
K_{ab} = N_{\mu; \nu} (\frac{\partial x^\mu}{\partial y^a})(\frac{\partial x^\nu}{\partial y^b}) = ( \frac{\partial N_\mu}{\partial x^\nu } - \Gamma^{k}_{\mu \nu} N_{k}) )(\frac{\partial x^\mu}{\partial y^a})(\frac{\partial x^\nu}{\partial y^b}).
\end{equation}

##N_{\mu; \nu}## is the norm of the bubble which is given by ##N_a = (-\dot{R}, \dot{T},0,0,0)##. Since we are looking for dyamical on the brane, we don't care about the angular part of the metric: ##(t,r, \Omega) \rightarrow (T(\tau), R(\tau), \Omega)##.

##x^\mu## labels bulk metric (I think##(\tau, r, \Omega)##) and ##y^a## labels coordinate on the brane (I think ## (T(\tau), R(\tau), \Omega)##.

The nonzero christoffel sumbols of the Metric are ##\Gamma^r_{rr} = \frac{\partial u / \partial r}{u(r)} = \Gamma^t_{rt}##.

I don't know howto substitute all of this into (1). Should I sum all possible combinations of indices or should I sum the following two combinations ##(\mu, \nu) = (\tau, r) ; (a,b)= (T(\tau), R(\tau))## and ##(\mu, \nu) = (r, \tau) ; (a,b)= (R(\tau), T(\tau))##?

If I get some initial help here it will be straight forward to take it from there I think.

P.S the answer should be $$K_{a,b} = -\frac{1}{u \dot{T}}[\ddot{R} + (1/2) \frac{\partial u}{\partial R}] + u(R) \dot{T} R$$ but I cannot really arrive at this. Any help to get this expression is much apprichiated.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
##N_{\mu;\nu}## is the covariant derivative of ##N_\mu##.
 
martinbn said:
##N_{\mu;\nu}## is the covariant derivative of ##N_\mu##.
Hi! Many thanks for your answer. Yes indeed, might have abused language. I believe I expanded it in equation 1 the right way. But I feel that I am confused about how to sum the indices accordingly..
 
You sum the indices with the Einstein summation convention, which basically says you sum over all possible values of repeated indices.

a and b appear on the left hand side, so you are computing 16 quantities, as a and b both vary from 0 to 3 (or possibly 1 to 4, depending on your notation).

For each specific value of a and b, you have one component of ##K_{ab}##. To get the value of that component, you sum over all values of k, ##\mu##, and ##\nu##. Thus if you wrote it out longhand, in general each of the 16 components of ##K_{ab}## would be the sum of 64 terms. Hopefully, though, your metric is simple enough that many of the terms are zero.
 
  • Like
Likes John Greger and vanhees71
In an inertial frame of reference (IFR), there are two fixed points, A and B, which share an entangled state $$ \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(|0>_A|1>_B+|1>_A|0>_B) $$ At point A, a measurement is made. The state then collapses to $$ |a>_A|b>_B, \{a,b\}=\{0,1\} $$ We assume that A has the state ##|a>_A## and B has ##|b>_B## simultaneously, i.e., when their synchronized clocks both read time T However, in other inertial frames, due to the relativity of simultaneity, the moment when B has ##|b>_B##...

Similar threads

  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 38 ·
2
Replies
38
Views
1K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
841
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
857
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
5K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
1K