How to create electricity by pumping CO2 through water?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of creating electricity by pumping CO2 through water, particularly in the context of a school project focused on alternative energy sources. Participants explore the theoretical and practical implications of this idea, referencing existing literature and potential challenges.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes utilizing CO2 emissions from wine fermentation to generate electricity by pumping it through water, seeking advice on creating a demonstration.
  • Another participant questions the viability of the project, noting the complexity and inquiring about available lab facilities for such an endeavor.
  • Concerns are raised about the low energy yield from this method, with one participant suggesting that the energy produced would be minimal, potentially in the milliWatts range.
  • Another participant argues that CO2 has low chemical potential energy, implying that it may not be a worthwhile source for energy generation.
  • References to the Nernst Equation and its applications are made, indicating a technical perspective on the electrochemical processes involved.
  • A participant mentions a CO2 concentrator that captures CO2 from the atmosphere, highlighting the energy costs associated with such processes and referencing the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express skepticism about the practicality and energy efficiency of the proposed method, with no consensus on its feasibility. Multiple competing views regarding the potential of using CO2 for energy generation remain evident.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the project and the potential high costs associated with compressing and bubbling CO2 through water. There is also mention of the energy requirements for CO2 concentration processes, which may not be feasible for a school project.

Tony Novelli
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I am currently working on a project for school where we need to create an alternative source of energy for a country. My country is Italy and I thought of the idea of utilizing the CO2 emissions from the fermentation in wine making processes. I know you can use CO2 emissions to create more power by pumping the CO2 through water. So I was wondering how i could create a small demonstration that actually can push the CO2 through the water to generate extra electricity and then harvest the electricity in a usable state. Here is link to the article I found on this http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/waste-co2-could-be-source-of-extra-power/ and this is a link for a schematic and more information. Environmental Science and Technology Letters
 
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Tony Novelli said:
I am currently working on a project for school where we need to create an alternative source of energy for a country. My country is Italy and I thought of the idea of utilizing the CO2 emissions from the fermentation in wine making processes. I know you can use CO2 emissions to create more power by pumping the CO2 through water. So I was wondering how i could create a small demonstration that actually can push the CO2 through the water to generate extra electricity and then harvest the electricity in a usable state. Here is link to the article I found on this http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/waste-co2-could-be-source-of-extra-power/ and this is a link for a schematic and more information. Environmental Science and Technology Letters

Welcome to the PF. :smile:

Interesting -- I hadn't seen that before. The article is from late 2013, have you seen any newer publications about it? Has anybody made prototypes? It would seem to be a pretty complicated thing to make as a project for school. What kind of lab facilities do you have available?
 
berkeman said:
Interesting -- I hadn't seen that before. The article is from late 2013, have you seen any newer publications about it? Has anybody made prototypes? It would seem to be a pretty complicated thing to make as a project for school. What kind of lab facilities do you have available?

The reason you haven't seen it before is that it probably isn't worth doing. Read the comments on that article.

Let's assume that compressing and bubbling this gas through water didn't cost anything. It actually is quite expensive, but humor me for a minute. They're talking about milliWatts per square meter. Someone dropped a prefix somewhere...
 
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I don't think it is worth doing either.

CO2 is near the bottom of the chemical potential energy list - that's why you get so much energy from combusting C or CO.
 
Nernst Equation
Concentration Cell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nernst_equation

I am sure those have been heard of before.

Sample application - pH meter,
http://www.explainthatstuff.com/how-ph-meters-work.html

Is Slide Show OK here ? for the CO2 emission battery
http://www.slideshare.net/dutchpower/bert-hamelers-energyfrom-co2

Also, here is the reverse - a CO2 concentrator cell that will capture CO2 from the atmosphere or stack emissions and concentrate the %.
http://www.parc.com/content/attachments/P2009086-Electrochemical-CO2-Capture-Cleantech09.pdf
 
I've got to run but the CO2 concentrator consumes energy. Just from the title + the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, one can deduce it: if you want to reduce the entropy you must invest energy into it.
 

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