How to Derive Exchange Energy from Ground State Equation?

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The discussion revolves around deriving the exchange energy from the ground state equation of the Hubbard Hamiltonian for two fermions. It includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of limits in the context of quantum mechanics.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the ground state equation of the Hubbard Hamiltonian and suggests that for large U, the exchange energy J can be expressed as J = -4t²/U.
  • Another participant proposes using a Taylor series expansion for small x to aid in the derivation.
  • A participant comments on the unexpected nature of the thread's topic given its placement under calculus, indicating a preference for quantum mechanics discussions for such questions.
  • Concerns are raised about substituting infinity directly into the expression, highlighting the indeterminate form that arises.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of substituting infinity into the ground state equation, indicating a lack of consensus on how to handle this limit. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the derivation of J from the ground state equation.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the treatment of the expression involving infinity, as it leads to indeterminate forms that require careful handling. The discussion also reflects a dependence on mathematical techniques for deriving physical quantities.

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I've calculated the eigenstates of the Hubbard Hamiltonian for two fermions.
The ground state is (U2 - (U2 + 16t2)1/2)/2
For U = infty, I get 0.
For U >> t, I should get the exchange energy J = -4t2/U
How do I get from the ground state equation to J?
 
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Use the Taylor series expansion ##\sqrt{1 + x} \approx 1 + x/2## for small x.
 
Too easy, thanks!
 
When I saw a thread called "limit of large but finite" under "calculus" I wasn't expecting something about the Hubbard Hamiltonian of two fermions. But, clearly, @DrClaude was prepared for anything!
 
PeroK said:
When I saw a thread called "limit of large but finite" under "calculus" I wasn't expecting something about the Hubbard Hamiltonian of two fermions. But, clearly, @DrClaude was prepared for anything!
I was actually more prepared for the Hubbard Hamiltonian than for regular calculus :wink:

I hesitated to move the thread. @supernano, note that while your question was a mathematical one, you have a higher probability of getting an answer for such a question in the QM forum. It's more a question of knowing the tricks than knowing maths.
 
supernano said:
I've calculated the eigenstates of the Hubbard Hamiltonian for two fermions.
The ground state is (U2 - (U2 + 16t2)1/2)/2
For U = infty, I get 0.
For one thing, you can't just substitute ##\infty## into the expression. For another thing, the expression above has the form ##[\infty - \infty]##, which is one of several indeterminate forms, along with ##[\frac0 0]##, ##[\frac{\infty}{\infty}]## and a few others.
supernano said:
For U >> t, I should get the exchange energy J = -4t2/U
How do I get from the ground state equation to J?
 

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