How to Derive the Hydrogen Atom Hamiltonian in Spherical Coordinates?

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The discussion revolves around deriving the Hamiltonian for a Hydrogen atom in spherical coordinates, starting from its expression in Cartesian coordinates. Participants are exploring the correct formulation and transformation of the Hamiltonian, as well as the implications of coordinate systems on the equations involved.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to confirm the correctness of the Hamiltonian in Cartesian coordinates and are questioning the proper transformation to spherical coordinates. There are discussions about the definitions of variables and the need for a center of mass reference frame. Some participants suggest looking up additional resources for detailed derivations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing corrections and suggestions for further research. There is no explicit consensus yet, but guidance on looking for external resources has been offered.

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Some participants note the importance of defining variables correctly, particularly the separation between the proton and electron, and the implications of using different coordinate systems. There is also mention of the need for additional resources to aid in understanding the derivation process.

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The Hamiltonian for a Hydrogen atom in Cartesian Coordinates (is this right?):
\hat{H} = - \frac{\bar{h}^2}{2m_p}\nabla ^2_p - \frac{\bar{h}^2}{2m_e}\nabla ^2_e - \frac{e^2}{4\pi\epsilon _0r}
In Spherical Coordinates do I just use:
x=r sin θ cos φ, y = r sin θ sin φ, and z = r cos θ?
 
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It is \hbar instead of h. But that is essentially correct. You might want to convert it to the center of mass reference frame before you do any work on it though. There are tons of sites out there that solve it as well and show all the work.
 
FloridaGators said:
The Hamiltonian for a Hydrogen atom in Cartesian Coordinates (is this right?):
\hat{H} = - \frac{h^2}{2m_p}\nabla ^2_p - \frac{h^2}{2m_e}\nabla ^2_e - \frac{e^2}{4\pi\epsilon _0r}

First, this form has no explicit reference to Cartesian coordinates.

Second, this is only correct if you define r to be the separation between the proton and the electron; not the distance from the origin.

In Spherical Coordinates do I just use:
x=r sin θ cos φ, y = r sin θ sin φ, and z = r cos θ?

There are many sites and texts that derive expressions for \nabla^2 in Spherical coordinates.
 
Thank you for helping. Do you mind my asking what your search inquiry in google was to find that?
 
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