How to Factorize x^2-y^2-x+y for Solving Polynomial Equations

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The discussion revolves around the factorization of the polynomial expression $$x^2-y^2-x+y$$. Participants explore various methods and strategies for factorization, including grouping terms and applying known algebraic identities. The conversation includes attempts to clarify the steps involved in the factorization process.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest starting the factorization by recognizing that $$x^2-y^2=(x+y)(x-y)$$ and $$-x+y=-(x-y)$$.
  • There is a proposal to group terms in the expression, with suggestions to group three terms together or to group two pairs of terms.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how the expression $$ (x-y)(x+y)-(x-y) $$ simplifies to $$ (x-y)(x+y-1) $$ and requests clarification.
  • Another participant points out a potential typo in the expression $$ ab-b $$ and discusses the importance of correct bracketing in factorization.
  • Several participants engage in a back-and-forth about the correctness of the factorization steps, with some affirming the correctness of certain expressions while others challenge them.

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There is no consensus on the factorization process, as participants express differing views on the correctness of specific steps and the clarity of explanations. Some participants agree on certain aspects of the factorization, while others raise questions and corrections.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the application of factorization techniques and the simplification of expressions. There are mentions of potential typos and the need for careful attention to mathematical notation.

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This discussion may be useful for students and individuals seeking to understand polynomial factorization techniques, particularly those who are looking for clarification on specific steps and methods in the factorization process.

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Factorise $$x^2-y^2-x+y$$. Any Ideas on how to begin (Mmm)
 
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If you observe that:

$$x^2-y^2=(x+y)(x-y)$$

and

$$-x+y=-(x-y)$$

then can you proceed to factor?
 
MarkFL said:
If you observe that:

$$x^2-y^2=(x+y)(x-y)$$

and

$$-x+y=-(x-y)$$

then can you proceed to factor?

Thanks (Yes)

so now to factor (x+y)(x-y)-(x-y)

Can this be factorised any further ? Agree ?(Thinking)

Many Thanks (Happy)
 
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mathlearn said:
Thanks (Yes)

so now to factor (x+y)(x-y)-(x-y)

Can this be factorised any further ? Agree ?(Thinking)

Many Thanks (Happy)

When you have an expression of 4 or more terms, a good strategy is the group some of them together. This problem has 4 terms. One try would have been to group 3 together and leave one by itself. Another approach (as hinted by MarkFL) is to group 2 together and 2 together. You have done this and arrived at $$(x+y)(x-y)-(x-y)$$. Now ask yourself how you would factor $$ab-b$$.
 
mrtwhs said:
When you have an expression of 4 or more terms, a good strategy is the group some of them together. This problem has 4 terms. One try would have been to group 3 together and leave one by itself. Another approach (as hinted by MarkFL) is to group 2 together and 2 together. You have done this and arrived at $$(x+y)(x-y)-(x-y)$$. Now ask yourself how you would factor $$ab-b$$.

Hope this is the answer $ x^2-y^2-x+y=(x^2-y^2)-(x-y)=(x-y)(x+y)-(x-y)=(x-y)(x+y-1)$

But I am not exactly clear on how did $(x-y)(x+y)-(x-y)$ become $(x-y)(x+y-1)$, Apologies because I am not that much good at factoring. (Crying)

mrtwhs said:
Now ask yourself how you would factor $$ab-b$$.

I know that this is the case, but can someone explain it a little , replacing the ab-b with the relevant terms.

If possible can a resource on factorization be posted.

Many Thanks :rolleyes:
 
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mathlearn said:
Hope this is the answer $ x^2-y^2-x+y=(x^2-y^2)-(x-y)=(x-y)(x+y)-(x-y)=(x-y)(x+y-1)$

But I am not exactly clear on how did $(x-y)(x+y)-(x-y)$ become $(x-y)(x+y-1)$, Apologies because I am not that much good at factoring. (Crying)
I know that this is the case, but can someone explain it a little , replacing the ab-b with the relevant terms.

If possible can a resource on factorization be posted.

Many Thanks :rolleyes:
Do you know what "factorization" means? Did you recognize that ab- b= (a- b)b?
Compare ab- b to (x+ y)(x- y)- (x- y). What do you think "a" and "b" are in terms of x and y?
 
HallsofIvy said:
Do you know what "factorization" means? Did you recognize that ab- b= (a- b)b?
Compare ab- b to (x+ y)(x- y)- (x- y). What do you think "a" and "b" are in terms of x and y?

there is a typo error above ab-b =(a-1)b
 
kaliprasad said:
there is a typo error above ab-b =(a-1)b
Oops! Thanks!
 
$x^2-y^2-x+y=(x^2-y^2)-(x-y)=(x-y)(x+y)-(x-y)=(x-y)(x+y-1)$

$(x-y)(x+y)-(x-y)=(x-y)(x+y-1)$

As there are two $(x-y)$ , take it once and now a '-1' is isolated,

$(x-y)(x+y)-(x-y) = (x-y)(x+y)-1 = (x-y)(x+y-1)$

Correct?
 
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mathlearn said:
$x^2-y^2-x+y=(x^2-y^2)-(x-y)=(x-y)(x+y)-(x-y)=(x-y)(x+y-1)$

This is correct.

mathlearn said:
$(x-y)(x+y)-(x-y) = (x-y)(x+y)-1 = (x-y)(x+y-1)$

This is not correct. This should be:

$(x-y)(x+y)-(x-y) = (x-y)((x+y)-1) = (x-y)(x+y-1)$
 
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MarkFL said:
This is correct.
This is not correct. This should be:

$(x-y)(x+y)-(x-y) = (x-y)((x+y)-1) = (x-y)(x+y-1)$

Can you explain a little bit on what happens there in words. (Smile)
 
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Look at the difference between what you posted and what I posted. You simply did not use correct bracketing symbols...you left that $-1$ dangling out there by itself. You essentially stated that:

$$ab-a=ab-1$$

when what we want is:

$$ab-a=a(b-1)$$
 

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