How to find eigenvalues/eigenvectors

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The discussion revolves around finding eigenvalues and eigenvectors for various linear operators, specifically focusing on operators defined in different dimensions and forms. Participants explore both theoretical approaches and practical methods, including matrix representations and computational tools.

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  • Some participants inquire about finding eigenvalues and eigenvectors for the linear operator T defined as T(w,z) = (z,w), suggesting starting with a matrix representation.
  • Another participant presents a different operator T(x_1,x_2,...,x_n) = (x_1+x_2+...+x_n, x_1+x_2+...+x_n, ..., x_1+x_2+...+x_n) and questions the matrix form and eigenvalues.
  • One participant suggests using Matlab to compute eigenvalues for a matrix of ones, indicating a practical approach to the problem.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of the operator T(w,z) = (z,w) and derives equations based on the definition of eigenvalues, leading to the conclusion that λ^2 = 1 for non-zero solutions.
  • Further exploration of the operator T(x,y) = (x+y, x+y) leads to the observation that the matrix representation consists of all ones, prompting questions about the eigenvalues of such a matrix.
  • Participants note that if a matrix has two identical rows or columns, it implies a determinant of zero, suggesting that zero is an eigenvalue.
  • One participant hints at the eigenvalues of the matrix representation of T(x,y) = (x+y, x+y) and asks for the resulting equation from the determinant condition.
  • Another participant speculates on the eigenvalues based on the transformation of specific vectors, indicating ongoing exploration of the topic.

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Participants express various approaches and methods for finding eigenvalues and eigenvectors, with no clear consensus on a single method or solution. Multiple competing views and interpretations of the operators remain present.

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Some discussions involve assumptions about the dimensions of the operators and the implications of matrix representations, which may not be fully resolved. The exploration of eigenvalues is contingent on the specific forms of the operators discussed.

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How do i find the eigenvalues and eigenvectors for the linear operator T defined as
T(w,z) = (z,w)??
 
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mind0nmath said:
How do i find the eigenvalues and eigenvectors for the linear operator T defined as
T(w,z) = (z,w)??

I'd start by writing T as a matrix.
 
how about for something like: T(x_1,x_2,...,x_n) = (x_1+x_2+...+x_n, x_1+x_2+...+x_n, ..., x_1+x_2+...+x_n). The matrix with respect to standard basis would have 1's everywhere? any clues to finding the eigenvalues/vectors?
 
Try Matlab command >>[V,D] = eig(ones(n))
 
? T operates on a pair of numbers and gives a pair of numbers as the result. Written as a matrix, it would be 2 by 2 matrix- certainly not as complicated as you have! You are not still referring to the first problem are you?

By definition, T(w,z)= (z, w) so T(1, 0)= (0, 1) and T(0, 1)= (1, 0).
[tex]\left(\begin{array}{cc} a & b \\ c & d \end{array}\right)\left(\begin{array}{c} 1 \\ 0\end{array}\right)= \left(\begin{array}{c} 0 & 1\end{array}\right)[/tex]
What are a and c? Do the same with (0, 1) being taken to (1, 0) to determine b and d.
A good way of determining the matrix representing a linear operator in a given basis is to apply it to each of the basis vectors in turn. The result will be a column of the matrix.


Of course, you don't have to write it as a matrix to find eigenvalues- in fact, I think too many students get the idea that Linear Algebra is only about matrices. Saying that [itex]\lambda[/itex] is an eigenvalue for linear transformation T means that there exist some (x, y), not both 0, such that [itex]T(x,y)= \lambda(x, y)= (\lambda x, \lambda y)[/itex]. Since T(x,y)= (y, x), that says that [itex](y, x)= (\lambda x, \lambda y)[/itex] so you have two equations: [itex]y= \lambda x[/itex] and [itex]x= \lambda y[/itex]. Obviously, x= y= 0 would satisfy those equations for any [itex]\lambda[/itex]. For what values of [itex]\lambda[/itex] would that have non-zero solutions? If you replace the "x" in the first equation by [itex]\lambda y[/itex] from the second equation, you have [itex]y= \lambda(\lambda y)= \lambda^2 y[/itex]. If y is not 0, you can divide both sides by y to get [itex]\lambda^2= 1[/itex].
 
mind0nmath said:
how about for something like: T(x_1,x_2,...,x_n) = (x_1+x_2+...+x_n, x_1+x_2+...+x_n, ..., x_1+x_2+...+x_n). The matrix with respect to standard basis would have 1's everywhere? any clues to finding the eigenvalues/vectors?
One of the things you should have learned long ago is that you approach problems like this by looking at simple cases: if n= 2, this says T(x,y)= (x+ y, x+ y). In particular, T(1, 0)= (1, 1) and T(0,1)= (1, 1). Yes, the columns of the matrix representing this linear operator in the standard basis are all 1s. The matrix representing this linear operator in the standard basis consists of all 1s.

Okay, what are the eigenvalues of
[tex]\left(\begin{array}{cc}1 & 1 \\ 1 & 1\end{array}\right)[/tex]?
(Hint: if a matrix has two rows (or two columns) the same it has determinant 0. And if it has deteminant 0, it has 0 as an eigenvalue.)

The eigenvalues must satisfy
[tex]\left|\begin{array}{cc} 1-\lambda & 1 \\ 1 & 1- \lambda\end{array}\right|= 0[/tex]

What equation does that give you? What are the eigenvalues?
 
it seems obvious that (1,1) goes to (1,1), and (1,-1) goes to? so the eigenvalues are...
 

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