How to Find the Product of Cyclic Groups in an Abelian Group?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the annihilator of an ideal in an abelian group, specifically for the group \( M = \mathbb{Z}_{24} \times \mathbb{Z}_{15} \times \mathbb{Z}_{50} \) and the ideal \( I = 2\mathbb{Z} \). Participants explore how to express the annihilator as a product of cyclic groups.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes to find \( \text{Ann}_M(I) \) as a product of cyclic groups, suggesting it can be expressed as \( \text{Ann}_{\mathbb{Z}_{24}}(I) \times \text{Ann}_{\mathbb{Z}_{15}}(I) \times \text{Ann}_{\mathbb{Z}_{50}}(I) \).
  • Another participant questions whether it is necessary to show that each \( \text{Ann}_{\mathbb{Z}_{n}}(I) \) is a cyclic group.
  • A participant computes \( \text{Ann}_{\mathbb{Z}_{24}}(I) \) and concludes it is \( 12\mathbb{Z}_{24} \), explaining that the solutions to \( 2m = 0 \) in \( \mathbb{Z}_{24} \) are \( [0]_{24} \) and \( [12]_{24} \).
  • The same participant computes \( \text{Ann}_{\mathbb{Z}_{15}}(I) \) and finds it to be \( 15\mathbb{Z}_{15} \), noting that the only solution to \( 2m = 0 \) in \( \mathbb{Z}_{15} \) is \( [0]_{15} \).
  • The participant also computes \( \text{Ann}_{\mathbb{Z}_{50}}(I) \) and concludes it is \( 25\mathbb{Z}_{50} \), identifying the solutions to \( 2m = 0 \) in \( \mathbb{Z}_{50} \) as \( [0]_{50} \) and \( [25]_{50} \).
  • Another participant confirms the correctness of the computations presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the correctness of the computations for the annihilators, but there is no explicit consensus on the necessity of showing that each \( \text{Ann}_{\mathbb{Z}_{n}}(I) \) is cyclic.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve whether the approach to finding the annihilators is the only method or if alternative methods exist.

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Hey! :o

Let $M$ be the abelian group, i.e., a $\mathbb{Z}$-module, $M=\mathbb{Z}_{24}\times\mathbb{Z}_{15}\times\mathbb{Z}_{50}$.

I want to find for the ideal $I=2\mathbb{Z}$ of $\mathbb{Z}$ the $\{m\in M\mid am=0, \forall a\in I\}$ as a product of cyclic groups.

We have the following:

$$\text{Ann}_M(I)=\{m\in M\mid am=0, \forall a\in I\} \\ =\{m\in \mathbb{Z}_{24}\mid am=0, \forall a\in I\}\times\{m\in \mathbb{Z}_{15}\mid am=0, \forall a\in I\}\times\{m\in \mathbb{Z}_{50}\mid am=0, \forall a\in I\}\\ =\text{Ann}_{\mathbb{Z}_{24}}(I)\times\text{Ann}_{\mathbb{Z}_{15}}(I)\times\text{Ann}_{\mathbb{Z}_{50}}(I)$$

or not? (Wondering)
 
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It looks good so far. :D
 
Euge said:
It looks good so far. :D

How could we continue? Do we have to show that $\text{Ann}_{\mathbb{Z}_{24}}(I), \text{Ann}_{\mathbb{Z}_{15}}(I), \text{Ann}_{\mathbb{Z}_{50}}(I)$ are cyclic groups? (Wondering)
 
They are cyclic, but based on your prompt I thought you have to compute them. I'll start with $\operatorname{Ann}_{\Bbb Z_{24}}(I)$. Since $2$ is a generator of $I$, an element $m\in \Bbb Z_{24}$ satisfies $am = 0$ if and only if $2m = 0$. The solutions of $2m = 0$ in $\Bbb Z_{24}$ are $[0]_{24}$ and $[12]_{24}$. Thus $\operatorname{Ann}_{\Bbb Z_{24}}(I) = 12\Bbb Z_{24}$.
 
Euge said:
They are cyclic, but based on your prompt I thought you have to compute them. I'll start with $\operatorname{Ann}_{\Bbb Z_{24}}(I)$. Since $2$ is a generator of $I$, an element $m\in \Bbb Z_{24}$ satisfies $am = 0$ if and only if $2m = 0$. The solutions of $2m = 0$ in $\Bbb Z_{24}$ are $[0]_{24}$ and $[12]_{24}$. Thus $\operatorname{Ann}_{\Bbb Z_{24}}(I) = 12\Bbb Z_{24}$.

Ah ok...I see... (Thinking)

So, we have also the following:

Since $2$ is a generator of $I$, an element $m\in \Bbb Z_{15}$ satisfies $am = 0$ if and only if $2m = 0$. The solution of $2m = 0$ in $\Bbb Z_{15}$ is $[0]_{15}$. Thus $\operatorname{Ann}_{\Bbb Z_{15}}(I) = 15\Bbb Z_{15}$.

Since $2$ is a generator of $I$, an element $m\in \Bbb Z_{50}$ satisfies $am = 0$ if and only if $2m = 0$. The solutions of $2m = 0$ in $\Bbb Z_{50}$ are $[0]_{50}$ and $[25]_{50}$. Thus $\operatorname{Ann}_{\Bbb Z_{50}}(I) = 25\Bbb Z_{50}$.

Is this correct? (Wondering)
 
Yes, it's correct.
 

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