How to Find the Sum of a Geometric Series with Variables?

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The discussion revolves around finding the sum of a geometric series that includes variables. Participants explore the application of the geometric series formula and alternative methods to derive the sum of the first eight elements of the series defined by the terms a1 = -5, a2 = -5x, a3 = -5x^2, and so forth.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about applying the geometric series formula to a series with variables, specifically asking how to find the sum of the first eight elements.
  • Another participant confirms the use of the formula for the sum of a geometric series, providing the expression: $$a_1 + a_2 +...+a_8 = -5 \cdot \frac{1-x^8}{1-x}$$ with the parameters defined as $a_1=-5$, $n=8$, and $r=x$.
  • A different approach is suggested, where the sum is expressed as $$S=-5\left(1+x+x^2+x^3+x^4+x^5+x^6+x^7\right)$$ followed by a manipulation involving multiplying by $x$ and subtracting equations to derive the same result as the formulaic approach.
  • Another participant reiterates the alternative method for clarity, confirming the steps taken to arrive at the same expression for the sum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the validity of the geometric series formula and the alternative method presented. However, there is no explicit consensus on which method is preferable or if one is more advantageous than the other.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not address potential limitations or assumptions in the application of the geometric series formula with variables, nor does it explore the implications of different values for x.

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Hey,

Sorry if I am in the wrong part of the forums not sure where this question goes. I am having trouble with a geometric series that has letters involved. I understand the formula for finding the sum of first n elements with just numbers. However the series i have is ..

a1 = -5, a2 = -5x, a3 = -5x^2...

How do i go about finding the sum of the first 8 elements with the normal formula for doing so? Which I am under the impression is ...

a1(1-r^n)/1-r
 
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Spencer23 said:
Hey,

Sorry if I am in the wrong part of the forums not sure where this question goes. I am having trouble with a geometric series that has letters involved. I understand the formula for finding the sum of first n elements with just numbers. However the series i have is ..

a1 = -5, a2 = -5x, a3 = -5x^2...

How do i go about finding the sum of the first 8 elements with the normal formula for doing so? Which I am under the impression is ...

a1(1-r^n)/1-r

Hi Spencer23! Welcome to MHB! :)

You are entirely correct.
So with $a_1=-5$, $n=8$, and $r=x$, we get:
$$a_1 + a_2 +...+a_8 = -5 \cdot \frac{1-x^8}{1-x}$$
 
If you wanted to work the problem without a formula, you could state:

$$S=-5-5x-5x^2-5x^3-5x^4-5x^5-5x^6-5x^7=-5\left(1+x+x^2+x^3+x^4+x^5+x^6+x^7\right)$$

Now, multiply both sides by $x$:

$$Sx=-5\left(x+x^2+x^3+x^4+x^5+x^6+x^7+x^8\right)$$

If we subtract the first equation from the second, we obtain:

$$S(x-1)=-5\left(x^8-1\right)$$

Hence:

$$S=-5\frac{x^8-1}{x-1}=-5\frac{1-x^8}{1-x}$$
 
Nice answer!

MarkFL said:
If you wanted to work the problem without a formula, you could state:

$$S=-5-5x-5x^2-5x^3-5x^4-5x^5-5x^6-5x^7=-5\left(1+x+x^2+x^3+x^4+x^5+x^6+x^7\right)$$

Now, multiply both sides by $x$:

$$Sx=-5\left(x+x^2+x^3+x^4+x^5+x^6+x^7+x^8\right)$$

If we subtract the first equation from the second, we obtain:

$$S(x-1)=-5\left(x^8-1\right)$$

Hence:

$$S=-5\frac{x^8-1}{x-1}=-5\frac{1-x^8}{1-x}$$
 

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