How to know if a polynomial is odd or even?

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The discussion revolves around determining whether the polynomial expression 3(2k+1)³ is always odd for integer values of k. Participants explore various approaches to prove this property, including examining the structure of the polynomial and its components.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions that their program consistently outputs odd numbers for the polynomial, seeking a formal proof of this behavior.
  • Another participant states that 3(2k+1)³ has only odd factors, implying that it cannot be divisible by 2.
  • Some participants argue that multiplying an odd number by 3 results in an odd number, suggesting that the polynomial must also be odd.
  • There are claims that the polynomial can be expressed in a form that highlights its odd nature, specifically by rewriting it as 2s + 1, where s is a polynomial dependent on k.
  • Concerns are raised about the divisibility of the polynomial by 2, with some participants asserting that since all components of the polynomial are odd, the entire expression cannot be even.

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Participants generally agree that the polynomial is odd for integer values of k, but there are differing methods and interpretations regarding how to formally prove this. Some participants challenge the clarity of the definitions and the nature of the expressions involved.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on the assumption that k is an integer, and there is discussion about the implications of allowing k to take on non-integer values, which could affect the conclusions drawn about the polynomial's oddness.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in polynomial properties, number theory, or mathematical proofs related to odd and even integers.

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3(2k+1)3

I have written a program which calculates the value of that polynomial with different values of k. The result is always an odd number. I am having a difficult time writing a proof that states that this polynomial always returns an odd number.

I know that (2k + 1) is the general form for odd numbers. My polynomial does have (2k+1) in it, but it is altered.

Here are two different polymorphs of the same polynomial. They are just simplified versions:

3(8k3 + 12k2 + 6k + 1)

24k3 + 36k2 + 18k + 3

How can I prove that this is always odd?
 
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##3(2k+1)^3## has only odd factors. No ##2## in sight.
 
I have the answer. 3 times any odd makes an even, but the third power of that even is always odd.
 
PhysicsBoyMan said:
I have the answer. 3 times any odd makes an even, but the third power of that even is always odd.
3 times odd is still odd. Even numbers can be divided by 2, odd cannot.
 
How would you know if a difficult statement like 3(2k+1)3 can be divided by 2
 
PhysicsBoyMan said:
How would you know if a difficult statement like 3(2k+1)3 can be divided by 2
It can't. ##3(2k+1)^3 = 3 \cdot (2k+1) \cdot (2k+1) \cdot (2k+1)## and every one of them is odd. There cannot be a factor ##2##. ##2## is a prime so it must divide a factor if it would divide the product. This is not the case, as long as ##k## is a natural or integer number. Of course you get an even product if you allow, e.g. ##k=1.5##.
 
If you know that the general form of odd numbers is ##2 n + 1## then all you need to do is write ##24k^3 + 36k^2 + 18k + 3## in that form, i.e. find ##n##. All you need to do is write the 3 as ##2+1## then factor out the twos.
 
PhysicsBoyMan said:
How would you know if a difficult statement like 3(2k+1)3 can be divided by 2

pwsnafu said:
If you know that the general form of odd numbers is ##2 n + 1## then all you need to do is write ##24k^3 + 36k^2 + 18k + 3## in that form, i.e. find ##n##. All you need to do is write the 3 as ##2+1## then factor out the twos.
It's not necessary to multiply out the (2k + 1)3 factor.

Assuming that k takes on only integer values,
2k is always even, and 2k + 1 is odd.
(2k + 1)3 is the product of three odd integers, so is itself odd.
Muliplying an odd integer by 3 results in an odd integer, which by definition is not divisible by 2.
All of my statements here can be made rigorous with very little effort.

BTW, 3(2k+1)3 is an expression, not a statement. An expression has a value; a statement is either true or false. Equations and inequalities are examples of statements.
 
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3(2k+1)3

I have written a program which calculates the value of that polynomial with different values of k. The result is always an odd number. I am having a difficult time writing a proof that states that this polynomial always returns an odd number.

I know that (2k + 1) is the general form for odd numbers. My polynomial does have (2k+1) in it, but it is altered.

Here are two different polymorphs of the same polynomial. They are just simplified versions:

3(8k3 + 12k2 + 6k + 1)

24k3 + 36k2 + 18k + 3

How can I prove that this is always odd?

3(2k+1)^3
= 24k^3 + 36k^2 + 18k + 3
= 24k^3 + 36k^2 + 18k + 2 + 1
= 2*12k^3 + 2*18k^2 + 2*9k + 2*1 + 1
= 2(12k^3 + 18k^2 + 9k + 1) + 1

Then, 12k^3 + 18k^2 + 9k + 1 is a number that depends on the value of k (It doesn't matter whether this number is odd or even, since it is multiplied by 2, and 2*odd number = even number and 2*even number is even number). Now, let s = 12k^3 + 18k^2 + 9k + 1.

Therefor, we can write 2(12k^3 + 18k^2 + 9k + 1) + 1 as 2s + 1, which is the representation of an odd number.
 
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