How to make a sodium carbonate/sodium hydrogen carbonate buffer

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the preparation of a buffer solution with a specific pH of 10.8 using sodium carbonate, sodium hydrogen carbonate, and water. It includes aspects of homework problem-solving and mathematical reasoning related to buffer chemistry.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a homework statement and expresses uncertainty about how to find the concentrations of sodium carbonate and sodium hydrogen carbonate needed for the buffer.
  • Another participant suggests calculating the ratio of concentrations of carbonate and hydrogen carbonate to determine how to mix the reagents.
  • A later reply indicates that the calculated ratio is 3.55 and questions whether finding the concentration of H+ and subsequently the concentration of carbonate ions is the correct approach.
  • Another participant advises that once the ratio is known, it simplifies the calculation of concentrations, suggesting to assume a specific concentration for carbonate and use the ratio to find the concentration of hydrogen carbonate.
  • One participant expresses relief that the calculations are simpler than initially thought.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of calculating the ratio of concentrations and the subsequent steps to determine the amounts of each solid needed, though there is some uncertainty expressed about the initial approach to finding concentrations.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about dissociation and equilibrium in the buffer preparation process, which are not fully addressed in the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

Students working on buffer solution preparation in chemistry, particularly those dealing with homework problems related to pH and buffer calculations.

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Homework Statement


"Plan how to make 100mL of a buffer solution with a pH of 10.8 to be made using only sodium carbonate, sodium hydrogen carbonate and water"

Homework Equations


pH= pKa+ log(CO32-)/(HCO3-)


The Attempt at a Solution


I tried rearranging it, but I'm not sure what to do to find both of the concentrations...

thanks :)
 
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Calculate ratio of concentrations of carbonate and hydrogencarbonate, see how you can obtain this ratio mixing given reagents.
 
Borek said:
Calculate ratio of concentrations of carbonate and hydrogencarbonate, see how you can obtain this ratio mixing given reagents.

ok, I did that and I got the ratio to be 3.55. I then tried to find the conc. of H+, therefore the conc. of carbonate ions... is this how you're supposed to do it?

it also says "you should specify the amounts of sodium carbonate and sodium hydrogen carbonate that you would use"


thanks
 
No, once you know ratio of carbonate and hydrogencarbonate it is just a trivial calculation of concentrations - ignore dissociation and equilibrium, just assume you are preparing some volume of the buffer, you want it to be - say - 0.01M in carbonate, use the ratio you already know to calculate concentration of hydrogencarbonate, then calculate how much of each solid you need.
 
ok :) thanks! it was a lot simpler than I imagined it to be...
 

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