How to pick some numbers out of 13 integers, by a 4 digits code

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical problem involving the selection of integers based on a 4-digit code. Participants explore how to decipher the code to identify which numbers from the first 13 integers (1 to 13) are represented, considering various approaches and hints.

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  • Exploratory, Homework-related, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem from a math quiz involving deciphering a code to select integers from a set.
  • Another participant suggests that binary representation may be relevant to solving the problem.
  • A participant questions the feasibility of mapping 4-digit codes to subsets of integers from 1 to 13, considering the number of possible outputs.
  • There is a mention of counting perspectives and the potential for fitting codes into larger sets, such as a 14-element set.
  • Participants express a need for hints or further guidance on how to proceed with the problem.

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Participants generally agree on the need for further exploration and hints, but there is no consensus on a specific approach or solution to the problem.

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The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps or assumptions necessary to map the codes to the integers, leaving open questions about the methodology.

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How to pick some numbers out of 13 integers, by a 4 digits code
This is the question I read in a Math quizzes book:
- you have the first 13 integers from 1 to 13
- someone gives you a code made of at most 4 digits (0 to 9)
- you decipher the code and tell him exactly which numbers he wanted from the list each number can be picked only once

For example.
case 1 He gives you 8191 and you tell he thought all the 13 integers from 1 to 13.
case 2 He gives you 6145 and you tell he thought only 1, 2, 13.
And so on.

I've not come up with any solutions yet. The only sparse ideas I have are:
case 1 if you sum the first 13 integers you get 91, so the last two digits of 8191
case 2 if you sum 1, 2, 13 you get the same result summing the digits of 6145

Also,
8191 mod 3 = 13
6145 mod 2 = 3

Beside that , I have no other clues how to move forward.
I would be grateful for some hints how to go on. Thank you very much.
 
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Hint: binary.
 
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If might help to enumerate how many possible outputs there are. From a pure counting perspective, is it even possible to make a map from 4 digit codes to subsets of integers between 1 and 13?
 
Office_Shredder said:
If might help to enumerate how many possible outputs there are. From a pure counting perspective, is it even possible to make a map from 4 digit codes to subsets of integers between 1 and 13?
Definite. Could fit 1/4 - 1/5 of the further ones required for a 14 element set, as well.
 
robertphy said:
I would be grateful for some hints how to go on.
Hill said:
Hint: binary.
This is a very good hint: how are you getting on?
 

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