How to picture the vector potential?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the vector potential in the context of classical electromagnetism, particularly how it relates to the Lagrangian formulation of the magnetic field. Participants explore the dependencies of the vector potential on spatial and temporal coordinates, and how to appropriately apply derivatives in calculations involving it.

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  • One participant questions how to treat the vector potential, noting that it seems to be a theoretical construct and expressing uncertainty about its dependence on coordinates.
  • Another participant clarifies that the vector potential is a vector field that generally depends on position and time, emphasizing the need to use the full total derivative when calculating changes.
  • A later reply acknowledges the general case of vector fields, indicating that components typically depend on multiple variables unless specified otherwise, and reflects on a previous assumption made about the vector field's dependencies.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the treatment of the vector potential, as there are varying levels of understanding and assumptions about its properties and dependencies.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the assumptions made about the vector potential and its components, highlighting the need for a clearer picture of vector fields in general.

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developing the Lorentz force law from the Lagrangian for the magnetic field
Susskind (in The Theoretical Minimum, volume 1, pages 203-205) writes the Lagrangian for the magnetic field as ##L=\frac m 2(\dot x^2+\dot y^2 + \dot z^2)+ \frac e c (\dot x A_x +\dot y A_y +\dot z A_z)## and then calculates ##\dot p_x =ma_x + \frac e c \frac d {dt} A_x=ma_x + \frac e c(\frac {\partial A_x} {\partial x}\dot x + \frac {\partial A_x} {\partial y}\dot y + \frac {\partial A_x} {\partial z}\dot z)##.

I have problems with the last step. I might have written ##\frac {dA_x} {dt} =\frac {dA_x} {dx} \frac {dx} {dt}##, ignoring the other terms. How can I know that each component of the vector potential depends on all the coordinates? I would have to somehow picture the vector potential in order to come to this conclusion, but the vector potential seems to be a purely theoretical construct. How can I know how to treat it in situations like this one?
 
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Yes, in the general case ##\mathbf{A} = \mathbf{A}(x,y,z,t)## is some vector field that depends on position (and time), and you'll need to use the full total derivative, e.g.

##\dot{A}_x = (\partial_x A_x) \dot{x} + (\partial_y A_x) \dot{y} + (\partial_z A_x) \dot{z} + (\partial_t A_x)##

If the field changes with time, then ##\partial_t \mathbf{A}## will also be non-zero.

Why don't you have a look at a few concrete examples, e.g. wires, solenoids...:
https://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/II_14.html
 
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Thank you, I think I got it. If I have any vector field ##\vec v=\vec v(x,y,z)##, then in general the componentes would be ##v_x =v_x(x,y,z), v_y=v_y(x,y,z), v_z=v_z(x,y,z)##, and only in a special case would I have ##v_x=v_x(x), v_y=v_y(y), v_z=v_z(z)##. If I don't know what a vector field actually looks like, I have to assume the general case. For some reason, I assumed ##v_x=v_x(x), v_y=v_y(y), v_z=v_z(z)##, and it already seems strange to me why I assumed that. Sorry to have bothered you with this.
 
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