How to Predict the Chance of Getting 12 Heads and 13 Tails from 25 Coin Tosses?

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The discussion revolves around estimating the probability of obtaining 12 heads and 13 tails from 25 coin tosses, as well as understanding a gambling scenario involving bets on roulette. The subject area includes probability theory and binomial distributions.

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  • Participants explore methods for calculating probabilities, including the potential use of probability trees and binomial approximations. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of betting odds and expected values in gambling scenarios.

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Some participants have provided clarifications on the meaning of betting odds, while others suggest exploring binomial approximations. There is a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the application of probability concepts to the problems presented.

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Participants express uncertainty about the phrasing of the gambling problem and the implications of different betting odds. There is also mention of textbook references that may contain relevant examples or explanations.

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Chp 18, Rev Ex 4

A coin is tossed 25 times. Estimate the chance of getting 12 heads and 13 tails.



Chp 16, Rev Ex 8

A gambler will play roulette 50 times, betting a dollar on four joining numbers each. If one of these four numbers comes up, she gets the dollar back, together with winnings of $8. If any other number comes up, she loses the dollar. So this bet pays 8 to 1, and there are 4 chances in 38 of winning. Her net gain in 50 plays is like the sum of ____ draws from the box ____. Fill in the blanks; explain.

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I know how to calculate the expected value and standard error, but that can't possibly be what I use to predict an exact number such as "12 heads." Where am I supposed to go with this one? I could always just brute force it.

On the second, problem I'm confused about the phrasing "8 to 1." Does that mean she bets a dollar and has a chance of getting $9 back? If you said a bet was "2 to 1," I'd assume that meant "either you get $2 back or lose $1"; but you really wouldn't be getting $2 back because you paid a dollar to begin with. See my confusion?
 
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Isnt this maths? Have you done about probability trees? Google them

Adam
 
AdamCFC said:
Isnt this maths? Have you done about probability trees? Google them

Adam

I'm not about to do a probability tree on something with 25 repetitions
 
You can approximate a binomial probability with a normal probability in this case. Your textbook should have an example of how to do this. Also, see this Wiki article, especially the section titled Binomial approximation.
 
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On part 2, if a bet pays "X to 1" that means that if you win, you get your original bet back, plus X times your original bet. Gambling tables sometimes have a different designation "Y for 1" which means that your bet gets taken either way, and you get Y if you win.

So "5 to 1" and "6 for 1" are the same thing.

Unfortunately, I have no idea what is supposed to go in those blanks; maybe your textbook/class have talked about "draws from a box of something" as an equivalence for expected value or something.
 
hgfalling said:
On part 2, if a bet pays "X to 1" that means that if you win, you get your original bet back, plus X times your original bet. Gambling tables sometimes have a different designation "Y for 1" which means that your bet gets taken either way, and you get Y if you win.

So "5 to 1" and "6 for 1" are the same thing.

Unfortunately, I have no idea what is supposed to go in those blanks; maybe your textbook/class have talked about "draws from a box of something" as an equivalence for expected value or something.

Thanks for the clarification. So there is a 4/38 chance of +$8 and a 34/38 chance of -$1. After 38 plays we expect $8 + $8 + $8 + $8 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 = -$2

And after a playing a ton of rounds, -$2 -$2 -$2 -$2 -$2 -$2 -$2 - ...

Money lost.
 

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