How to Prove 0.333... < x/y < 0.5 with $x$ and $y$ Defined as Fractions?

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The discussion revolves around proving the inequality \(0.333... < \frac{x}{y} < 0.5\) where \(x\) and \(y\) are defined as specific sums of fractions involving squares of integers. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and proof techniques.

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  • Some participants define \(y\) as the sum \(\frac{1}{10^2}+\frac{1}{11^2}+\cdots+\frac{1}{19^2}\) and \(x\) as \(\frac{1}{21^2}+\frac{1}{22^2}+\cdots+\frac{1}{40^2}\) and propose proving that \(\frac{1}{3} < \frac{x}{y} < \frac{1}{2}\).
  • One participant suggests proving the second part of the inequality, specifically \(\frac{x}{y} < \frac{1}{2}\) or equivalently \(2x < y\).
  • Several participants express confusion or seek clarification on the proof process, asking "How?" to understand the steps involved.
  • A participant acknowledges another's method as correct and thanks them for their contribution, indicating some level of agreement on part of the problem.

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While some participants express agreement on certain methods or parts of the problem, the overall discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on how to approach the proof.

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Let $y=\dfrac{1}{10^2}+\dfrac{1}{11^2}+\cdots+\dfrac{1}{19^2}$ and $x=\dfrac{1}{21^2}+\dfrac{1}{22^2}+\cdots+\dfrac{1}{40^2}$.

Prove that $\dfrac{1}{3}\lt \dfrac{x}{y}\lt \dfrac{1}{2}$.
 
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anemone said:
Let $y=\dfrac{1}{10^2}+\dfrac{1}{11^2}+\cdots+\dfrac{1}{19^2}$ and $x=\dfrac{1}{21^2}+\dfrac{1}{22^2}+\cdots+\dfrac{1}{40^2}$.

Prove that $\dfrac{1}{3}\lt \dfrac{x}{y}\lt \dfrac{1}{2}$.

let me prove the 2nd part that is

$\dfrac{x}{y}\lt \dfrac{1}{2}$
or $2x < y$

we have
$\dfrac{1}{n^2}=\dfrac{4}{(2n)^2} > \dfrac{2}{(2n+1) ^2} +\dfrac{2}{(2n+2) ^2}$
by taking n from 10 to 19 and adding we get the result
 
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anemone said:
Let $y=\dfrac{1}{10^2}+\dfrac{1}{11^2}+\cdots+\dfrac{1}{19^2}$ and $x=\dfrac{1}{21^2}+\dfrac{1}{22^2}+\cdots+\dfrac{1}{40^2}$.

Prove that $\dfrac{1}{3}\lt \dfrac{x}{y}\lt \dfrac{1}{2}$.
$\dfrac{20}{861}=\dfrac {1}{21}-\dfrac{1}{41}<x<\dfrac {1}{20}-\dfrac{1}{40}=\dfrac{1}{40}\\$
$\dfrac{40}{861}<2x<\dfrac {1}{20}\\$
$\therefore \dfrac {1}{2x}>20----(A)\\$
$3x>\dfrac{60}{861}---(B)\\$
$\dfrac{1}{20}=\dfrac {1}{10}-\dfrac{1}{20}<y<\dfrac {1}{9}-\dfrac{1}{19}=\dfrac{10}{171}\\$
$\therefore y>\dfrac{1}{20}----(C)\\$
$\dfrac {1}{y}>\dfrac{171}{10}---(D)$
$(C)\times(A)>1$, and $(B)\times (D)>1$
the proof of both sides is finished
 
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Albert said:
$\dfrac{20}{861}=\dfrac {1}{21}-\dfrac{1}{41}<x<\dfrac {1}{20}-\dfrac{1}{40}=\dfrac{1}{40}\\$

How ?
 
kaliprasad said:
How ?
$\sum (\dfrac {1}{n}-\dfrac {1}{n+1})=\sum \dfrac {1}{n(n+1)}<\sum \dfrac {1}{n^2}<\sum \dfrac {1}{(n-1)(n)}=\sum (\dfrac {1}{n-1}-\dfrac {1}{n})$
 
Thanks Albert for participating and your method is correct.

Thanks to kaliprasad as well for proving half of the problem.:)
 
My solution:

First notice that $22^2>21^2>4(10^2),\,24^2>23^2>4(11^2),\cdots,\,40^2>39^2>4(19^2)$ we get $\dfrac{1}{4(10^2)}+\dfrac{1}{4(10^2)}+\dfrac{1}{4(11^2)}+\dfrac{1}{4(11^2)}+\cdots+\dfrac{1}{4(19^2)}+\dfrac{1}{4(19^2)}>\dfrac{1}{21^2}+\dfrac{1}{22^2}+\cdots+\dfrac{1}{40^2}$, i.e. $\dfrac{1}{2}\left(y\right)>x$ or simply $y>2x$.

On the other hand, we have $6(10^2)>22^2>21^2,\,6(11^2)>24^2>23^2,\cdots,\,6(19^2)>40^2>39^2$ we get $\dfrac{1}{6(10^2)}+\dfrac{1}{6(10^2)}+\dfrac{1}{6(11^2)}+\dfrac{1}{6(11^2)}+\cdots+\dfrac{1}{6(19^2)}+\dfrac{1}{6(19^2)}<\dfrac{1}{21^2}+\dfrac{1}{22^2}+\cdots+\dfrac{1}{40^2}$, i.e. $\dfrac{1}{3}\left(y\right)<x$ or simply $y<3x$.

Combining both results we get $\dfrac{1}{3}\lt \dfrac{x}{y}\lt \dfrac{1}{2}$ and we're hence done.
 

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