How to Prove an Inequality Using Vectors

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The discussion revolves around proving an inequality involving real constants a, b, c, and k, and variables α, β, γ, under the condition that atanα + btanβ + ctanγ = k. The goal is to show that tan²α + tan²β + tan²γ ≥ k²/(a² + b² + c²) using vector methods.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the dot product of vectors and their magnitudes, questioning the validity of the steps leading to an equation rather than the desired inequality. There is mention of the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality as a potential tool for the proof.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring the connection between the dot product and the magnitudes of vectors, while others suggest revisiting the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality as a relevant concept. The conversation indicates a collaborative effort to clarify misunderstandings and explore different mathematical relationships.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality is not part of the JEE syllabus, which may influence their familiarity with it. There is an emphasis on understanding the implications of the dot product in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


If a,b,c and k are real constants and α,β,γ are variables subject to the condition that atanα+btanβ+ctanγ = k, then prove using vectors that tan^2 α+tan^2 β+ tan^2 γ ≥ k^2/(a^2+b^2+c^2)


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The Attempt at a Solution


(ai+bj+ck).(tan \alpha i+ tan \beta j+ tan \gamma k) = k \\<br /> k^2 = (a^2+b^2+c^2)(tan^2 \alpha + tan^2 \beta + tan^2 \gamma)

But what I arrive at is an equation instead of the inequality required to prove.
 
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utkarshakash said:

Homework Statement


If a,b,c and k are real constants and α,β,γ are variables subject to the condition that atanα+btanβ+ctanγ = k, then prove using vectors that tan^2 α+tan^2 β+ tan^2 γ ≥ k^2/(a^2+b^2+c^2)


Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


##(ai+bj+ck).(tan \alpha i+ tan \beta j+ tan \gamma k) = k \\##

Correct so far...
utkarshakash said:
##k^2 = (a^2+b^2+c^2)(tan^2 \alpha + tan^2 \beta + tan^2 \gamma)##

That is wrong. How is the dot product of two vectors related to their magnitudes?


ehild
 
ehild said:
Correct so far...


That is wrong. How is the dot product of two vectors related to their magnitudes?


ehild

\vec{c} ^2 = \vec{c} . \vec{c} = |\vec{c}|^2

I've used this identity to simplify it further.
 
utkarshakash said:
\vec{c} ^2 = \vec{c} . \vec{c} = |\vec{c}|^2

I've used this identity to simplify it further.

Yes, but you have the dot product of two different vectors to be squared. ##(\vec a \cdot\vec b)^2≠|\vec a |^2 |\vec b|^2##.

ehild
 
utkarshakash said:
\vec{c} ^2 = \vec{c} . \vec{c} = |\vec{c}|^2
That's only the special case where the two vectors are the same. What is the more general relationship?
 
utkarshakash said:

Homework Statement


If a,b,c and k are real constants and α,β,γ are variables subject to the condition that atanα+btanβ+ctanγ = k, then prove using vectors that tan^2 α+tan^2 β+ tan^2 γ ≥ k^2/(a^2+b^2+c^2)


Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


(ai+bj+ck).(tan \alpha i+ tan \beta j+ tan \gamma k) = k \\<br /> k^2 = (a^2+b^2+c^2)(tan^2 \alpha + tan^2 \beta + tan^2 \gamma)

But what I arrive at is an equation instead of the inequality required to prove.

Do you know about Cauchy-Schwarz inequality?
 
Pranav-Arora said:
Do you know about Cauchy-Schwarz inequality?

I encountered it in Calculus but never bothered to go through it as it is not in the JEE syllabus.
 
utkarshakash said:
I encountered it in Calculus but never bothered to go through it as it is not in the JEE syllabus.

Cauchy-Schwarz inequality uses dot product, it isn't too difficult.

Check out Wikipedia.
 
Pranav-Arora said:
Cauchy-Schwarz inequality uses dot product, it isn't too difficult.

Check out Wikipedia.

Thanks mate. This inequality helped me to solve some other problems as well.
 
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utkarshakash said:
Thanks mate. This inequality helped me to solve some other problems as well.

Glad to help. :)
 

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