How to read structural molecules?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding how to read and interpret structural formulas of molecules, particularly in the context of chemistry and organic chemistry. Participants express confusion about the concepts and applications of structural representations, including Lewis structures and bond formations.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a lack of understanding regarding how to read structural formulas and seeks guidance on the topic.
  • Another participant provides a link to a tutorial but questions whether the original poster has read it and what specific information they seek.
  • There is a discussion about the structural formula of C2H5Cl, with one participant noting confusion about how to interpret the bonds and their implications for electron sharing.
  • Some participants clarify that Lewis structures represent basic bonding theories, indicating that lines between atoms signify shared electrons.
  • There is a suggestion that understanding how many bonds each atom needs to complete its valence shell is crucial for drawing structural diagrams, with specific examples provided for sulfuric acid (H2SO4).
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of knowing the visual representation of molecules as it affects their reactivity.
  • Participants discuss the rules for writing Lewis structures, including formal charges, the octet rule, and expanded octets, while questioning the original poster's familiarity with these concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic principles of reading structural formulas and the significance of bond lines, but there remains confusion and uncertainty about the application of these principles, particularly in drawing structures from scratch. Multiple views on how to approach learning and understanding these concepts are present.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various resources and tutorials, indicating a range of foundational knowledge and differing levels of comfort with the material. Some participants express a need for more structured learning to avoid confusion.

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I just don't get it... still... I don't get it at all... it makes no sense to me... Where can I learn how to read these ?

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does anyone have any insight as to a guide how to read these or can you explain ? I don't get how structural formula is read...
 
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Ygggdrasil said:
In your previous thread, I posted a link to the following tutorial: http://www.chemguide.co.uk/basicorg/conventions/draw.html

Did you read it and do you have questions about it? What sort of information do you want to learn from reading the structural formulas of the molecules?

Yes, I read it, but I'm still confused... I'm just not grasping the concept of writing out structural molecules, or reading them... and I want to learn what the point of having the structural formulas is...

I'll give you a brief example of what I can't understand.

the structural form of the molecule C2H5Cl.
c2h5cldispl.GIF


I don't get how to read that at all.. I get that the lines mean that there is a bond, that is provided... But how exactly do you read something like that? Are the lines meant to say that they're sharing electrons? and the original picture I've included is in like skeletal form to which I get even further confusion... It just seems very hard to understand how to read it..

and I need to learn how to read it for chem, and eventually organic chemistry in college.
 
xilc said:
the structural form of the molecule C2H5Cl.
c2h5cldispl.GIF
I think you may be trying to over complicate these. Lewis structures are a very basic bonding theory. It means just what you said.

H-H means we have two hydrogen atoms sharing two electrons in a bond. In the case of something like ethyl chloride, it's the same concept.
 
The point is to know what the molecule looks like, because that has a direct effect on how it reacts, etc.
 
Jorriss said:
I think you may be trying to over complicate these. Lewis structures are a very basic bonding theory. It means just what you said.

H-H means we have two hydrogen atoms sharing two electrons in a bond. In the case of something like ethyl chloride, it's the same concept.
But is it correct then that the bond lines are implying that (in a covalent bond) EVERY atom connected completes it's valence shell ?

but Sorry, lol... The thing I meant to say I'm not getting is how to read them. Essentially were to be given something like H2SO4 (sulfuric acid) and supposed to draw a structural diagram of the thing, and I don't get how to from scratch... I don't get how they place them, and arrange them, etc.
 
xilc said:
But is it correct then that the bond lines are implying that (in a covalent bond) EVERY atom connected completes it's valence shell ?

Yeah, that's the idea.

xilc said:
but Sorry, lol... The thing I meant to say I'm not getting is how to read them. Essentially were to be given something like H2SO4 (sulfuric acid) and supposed to draw a structural diagram of the thing, and I don't get how to from scratch... I don't get how they place them, and arrange them, etc.

First, you have to know how many bonds each atom needs to form to complete its valence. Hydrogen makes one bond, oxygen makes 2 bonds (or a double bond) and sulfur can make 6. You have to reason your way through with that information. Logically, sulfur is the central atom with all 4 oxygen atoms attached to it, 2 with double bonds and 2 with single bonds. The oxygen atoms with the single bonds will then have the hydrogens on them.

Initially, it's trial and error until you have enough experience to look at something and sort of guesstimate how it looks based on its constituent atoms.
 
You may want to check out this tutorial page on covalent bonding and structural formulas:

http://www.grandinetti.org/Teaching/Chem121/Lectures/CovalentBonds

There are other notes for an entire year's worth of introductory general chemistry on that site that you may find useful. I would recommend starting in on the notes where things stop making sense to you presently so you can learn things in a coherent and organized manner, rather than just trying to pick up ideas piecemeal, which can be very disorienting.
 
xilc said:
But is it correct then that the bond lines are implying that (in a covalent bond) EVERY atom connected completes it's valence shell ?
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No, a single line means a single bond. If, for example, a carbon has four bonds, or 3 bonds and a lone pair, or any combination of bonds and lone pairs that add up to 8 electrons THEN it has a complete shell.

There's a few rules to know about writing out lewis structures.

1) Formal charges
2) Octet rule + hydrogen
3) Expanded octets

Are any of those unfamiliar to you?

Can you write the lewis structure for, say, BH3? H2S?
 

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