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The discussion revolves around solving cubic equations involving square roots and cube roots, specifically the equation √(X)-3√(X-1)=1, as well as a quadratic equation derived from the expression 9x-2(3x+1)+9=0. Participants express confusion about the methods and reasoning behind solving these types of equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore various methods for manipulating the original equations, including cubing both sides and isolating terms. There is uncertainty about how to combine square roots and cube roots, and how to derive roots from the equations. Some participants question the steps taken in the algebraic manipulation and express a need for clarification on the reasoning behind substitutions and transformations.

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Several participants have provided insights and suggestions for approaching the problems, including rearranging equations and considering substitutions. However, there is still a lack of clarity for some members regarding the overall process and how to arrive at the correct solutions. The discussion remains active with ongoing questions and attempts to understand the underlying concepts.

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Participants mention a lack of instructional resources in their precalculus materials, which contributes to their confusion. There is also reference to specific answers provided by a professor, which some participants feel they do not understand how to derive independently.

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Homework Statement



SOLVE: √(X)-3√(X-1)=1

//That is SQRT(X)-CBRT(X-1)=1; where SQRT = Square root, and CBRT = Cube root.

Homework Equations



None that I know of...

The Attempt at a Solution



(I would like to note I have no idea whether I am even approaching this problem the correct way.)

√(X)-3√(X-1)=1
(√(X) - 3√(X-1))3=13
(√(X)-3√(X-1))((√(X)-3√(X-1))((√(X)-3√(X-1))

Now I foil the first two right? Then leave the 3rd and do the sum of cubes? I don't know what happens when you multiply a square root to a cube, I imagine it is something like: e.g. SQRT(X) * CBRT(X) = X^(1/2) * X(1/3) = X^(1/6) which would be 6√X, but then what do I do?

Also, my professor gave us the answers, but never showed us how to solve it. The answers are X=0, 1, and 9 (THIS IS NOT A GIVEN).

I feel so lost and I can't find this anywhere in my precalculus book :(! Nothing even remotely similar...


Homework Statement


9x-2(3x+1)+9=0

Homework Equations



None that I know of...

The Attempt at a Solution



So, my professor showed us how to do this one, but I don't understand it at all...
9x=(32)x=(3x)2 //no idea what this is...
9x-2(3x+1)+9=0
3(x)2-6(3x)+9=0 //I don't understand how we get 3(x)2, remove X+1 for X
LET Y=3x How do we decide this?
Y2-6y+9=0 //I Understand it from here on..


I just need a lot of clarification to understand this stuff.
 
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Spiralshell said:

Homework Statement


9x-2(3x+1)+9=0

Homework Equations



None that I know of...

The Attempt at a Solution



So, my professor showed us how to do this one, but I don't understand it at all...
9x=(32)x=(3x)2 //no idea what this is...
9x-2(3x+1)+9=0
3(x)2-6(3x)+9=0 //I don't understand how we get 3(x)2, remove X+1 for X
LET Y=3x How do we decide this?
Y2-6y+9=0 //I Understand it from here on..


I just need a lot of clarification to understand this stuff.

9 = 3^2 \text{ so } 9^x = (3^2)^x = 3^{2x} = (3^x)^2

\text{Now } 3^{x+1} = 3\times 3^x

\text{So we sub them into the equation } 9^x + 2(3^{x+1}) + 9 = 0

(3^x)^2 + 2(3\times 3^x) + 9 = 0

(3^x)^2 + 6(3^x) + 9 = 0

\text{As you can hopefully see, this is a quadratic. We let } y = 3^x \text{ as it just makes the quadratic nice to play with and look at to find the solutions.}
 
Spiralshell said:

Homework Statement



SOLVE: √(X)-3√(X-1)=1

//That is SQRT(X)-CBRT(X-1)=1; where SQRT = Square root, and CBRT = Cube root.

Homework Equations



None that I know of...

The Attempt at a Solution



(I would like to note I have no idea whether I am even approaching this problem the correct way.)

√(X)-3√(X-1)=1
(√(X) - 3√(X-1))3=13
(√(X)-3√(X-1))((√(X)-3√(X-1))((√(X)-3√(X-1))

Now I foil the first two right? Then leave the 3rd and do the sum of cubes? I don't know what happens when you multiply a square root to a cube, I imagine it is something like: e.g. SQRT(X) * CBRT(X) = X^(1/2) * X(1/3) = X^(1/6) which would be 6√X, but then what do I do?

Also, my professor gave us the answers, but never showed us how to solve it. The answers are X=0, 1, and 9 (THIS IS NOT A GIVEN).

I feel so lost and I can't find this anywhere in my precalculus book :(! Nothing even remotely similar...

\text{Remember the rules for indices } x^a \times x^b = x^{a+b} \text{ Try expanding the brackets, see where that takes you.}
 
Spiralshell said:

Homework Statement



SOLVE: √(X)-3√(X-1)=1

//That is SQRT(X)-CBRT(X-1)=1; where SQRT = Square root, and CBRT = Cube root.

Homework Equations



None that I know of...

The Attempt at a Solution



(I would like to note I have no idea whether I am even approaching this problem the correct way.)

√(X)-3√(X-1)=1
(√(X) - 3√(X-1))3=13
Yuck. I wouldn't do that. I would rearrange the equation so that the cube root is isolated, and then cube both sides.
\sqrt{x} - \sqrt[3]{x - 1} = 1
\sqrt{x} - 1 = \sqrt[3]{x - 1}
\left( \sqrt{x} - 1 \right)^3 = \left( \sqrt[3]{x - 1} \right)^3
...
 
Thanks for your hasty replies! I really appreciate your help. I am still having trouble with:

√(X)-3√(X-1)=1 //I still don't understand how to get ALL the roots, that being X=0, X=1, and X=9. How do I figure these out?

I took the advice of you both and here is what I came up with...

√(X)-1=3√(X-1)
(√(X)-1)3=X-1
(√X-1)(√X-1)
(X-√(X)-√(X)+1)(√(X)-1)
X^3/2-2X+√(X)-X+2√(X)-1
X^3/2-3X+√(X)+2√(X)-1=X-1
...
X^3/2-4X+3√(X)=0

But, now how do I find the roots?
 
Spiralshell said:
Thanks for your hasty replies! I really appreciate your help. I am still having trouble with:

√(X)-3√(X-1)=1 //I still don't understand how to get ALL the roots, that being X=0, X=1, and X=9. How do I figure these out?

I took the advice of you both and here is what I came up with...

√(X)-1=3√(X-1)
(√(X)-1)3=X-1
(√X-1)(√X-1)
(X-√(X)-√(X)+1)(√(X)-1)
X^3/2-2X+√(X)-X+2√(X)-1
X^3/2-3X+√(X)+2√(X)-1=X-1
...
X^3/2-4X+3√(X)=0

But, now how do I find the roots?

You are almost there now. Just change it to

x^{\frac{3}{2}} + 3\sqrt{x}=4x

\sqrt{x}(x+3)=4x

Now square both sides.
 
I do not understand what you are doing here

Spiralshell said:
(√(X)-1)3=X-1
(√X-1)(√X-1)
(X-√(X)-√(X)+1)(√(X)-1)

though between you and bread you seem to be getting the right result.

Natural would be to expand the two-term (binomial) cube according to the general expansion

(a - b)3 = a3 - 3a2b + 3ab2 - b3 .

Here a is √x and b is 1.

You then get an expression with √x in it and other terms, you then have to rearrange so one term involving √x is on one side of the equation and the other side contains no such terms, so that when you square both sides it will be free of square roots. (Oof, longer to explain than to do!)
 
Spiralshell said:
X^3/2-4X+3√(X)=0

But, now how do I find the roots?
You could make a substitution: let
y = \sqrt{x}
Then
x^{3/2} - 4x + 3\sqrt{x} = 0
would become
\text{_____} - 4\text{_____} + 3y = 0
(I'll let you figure out what goes in the blanks.)
Solve for y, and then substitute the square root of back in.
 

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