How to Solve Differential Equation with Separate Variables?

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation using the method of separation of variables. Participants explore the steps involved in the solution process, including integration and completing the square, while also addressing potential errors and clarifications in the presented solutions.

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  • Participants present the differential equation $\dfrac{dy}{dx}=\dfrac{(2¬e^x)}{(3+2y)}$ with the initial condition $y(0)=0$ and outline steps for separation and integration.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their solutions, noting potential typos and incomplete lines in their work.
  • One participant mentions a book answer for a related problem, $x=\ln{2}$, but expresses confusion regarding how this result was derived.
  • There is a discussion about the notation used in the equations, particularly the use of the negation symbol, which some participants find problematic.
  • Another participant confirms the solution process but questions whether all conditions for the solution have been checked.
  • Participants share their experiences with typing issues related to the minus sign in LaTeX, suggesting it may be a source of confusion in their equations.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the solutions presented, and there are multiple competing views regarding the notation and the completeness of the problem-solving steps. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the derivation of the book answer.

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Some participants note potential typos and incomplete lines in their solutions, indicating that the discussion may be limited by these issues. There is also mention of confusion surrounding the notation used in the equations.

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#24 in the spoiler

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$\dfrac{dy}{dx}=\dfrac{(2¬e^x) }{(3+2y)}\quad y(0)=0$
$\begin{array}{lll}
separate & (3+2y)dy=(2¬e^x)dx \\
integrate &3y + y^2=2x-e^x +c \\
complete the square &y^2+3y+(3/2)^2 =2x-e^x +(3/2)^2+c\\
and &(y+(3/2))^2\\
from &y(0)=0\quad C=1\\
and &y=-\dfrac{3}{2}+\sqrt{2x-e^x+\dfrac{13}{4}}
\end{array}$

ok probably but might have some typos or corrections,
maybe some helpfull suggestion from page in spoiler I am going to try to do all the problems
 
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#24 in the spoiler

$\dfrac{dy}{dx}=\dfrac{(2¬e^x) }{(3+2y)}\quad y(0)=0$
\item\ha$\begin{array}{lll}
\ti{separate varables} & (3+2y)dy=(2¬e^x)dx \\
\ti{integrate} &3y + y^2=2x-e^x +c \\
\ti{complete the square}&y^2+3y+(3/2)^2 =2x-e^x +(3/2)^2+c\\
\ti{and} &(y+(3/2))^2\\
\ti{from} &y(0)=0\ C=1\\
\ti{and} &y=-\dfrac{3}{2}+\sqrt{2x-e^x+\dfrac{13}{4}}
\end{array}$

ok probably but might have some typos or corrections,
maybe some helpfull suggestion from page in spoiler I am going to try to do all the problems
Aside from the [math]\neg[/math] symbol and your incomplete line on "\it{and}" you didn't finish the problem!

But the DEq solution looks good. (But is there any place that you don't have a solution? You never checked.)

-Dan
 
topsquark said:
Aside from the [math]\neg[/math] symbol and your incomplete line on "\it{and}" you didn't finish the problem!

But the DEq solution looks good. (But is there any place that you don't have a solution? You never checked.)

-Dan
$\dfrac{dy}{dx}=\dfrac{(2¬e^x) }{(3+2y)}\quad y(0)=0$
$\begin{array}{lll}
separate & (3+2y)dy=(2¬e^x)dx \\
integrate &3y + y^2=2x-e^x +c \\
complete \ the \ square &y^2+3y+(3/2)^2 =2x-e^x +(3/2)^2+c\\
reduce &(y+(3/2))^2\\
from \ y(0)=0 &c=1\\
hence &y=-\dfrac{3}{2}+\sqrt{2x-e^x+\dfrac{13}{4}}
\end{array}$

ok I got rid of the format codes from overleaf

the book answer for 2.2.24 was $x=\ln{2}$
but not sure how they got it...

what - are you referring to
 
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karush said:
$\dfrac{dy}{dx}=\dfrac{(2¬e^x) }{(3+2y)}\quad y(0)=0$
$\begin{array}{lll}
separate & (3+2y)dy=(2¬e^x)dx \\
integrate &3y + y^2=2x-e^x +c \\
complete \ the \ square &y^2+3y+(3/2)^2 =2x-e^x +(3/2)^2+c\\
reduce &(y+(3/2))^2\\
from \ y(0)=0 &c=1\\
hence &y=-\dfrac{3}{2}+\sqrt{2x-e^x+\dfrac{13}{4}}
\end{array}$

ok I got rid of the format codes from overleaf

the book answer for 2.2.24 was $x=\ln{2}$
but not sure how they got it...

what - are you referring to
[math](3+2y)dy=(2¬e^x)dx[/math]

Check the RHS.

C'mon. What is the condition for a function to be at a maximum? y'(x) = 0...

-Dan
 
$2¬e^x=0$
$e^x=2\implies \ln(e^x)=\ln{2}\implies x=\ln{2}$
I was expecting something much more exotic:unsure:

Mahalo
 
karush said:
$2¬e^x=0$
There it is again. Are you typing this in from a phone?

-Dan
 
chromebook I just use the minus sign from the keyboard - in TEX $-$
strange :unsure:
 
karush said:
chromebook I just use the minus sign from the keyboard - in TEX $-$
strange :unsure:
Hmmmm... My calculator has two "-" keys. One is subtraction and the other is "negation." I wonder if your chromebook isn't literally using negation?

-Dan
 
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Your link if broken?

-Dan
 
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https://dl.orangedox.com/wlKD7eKSWiQ79alYD6

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