How to Solve for Time in Kinematics Equations

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The discussion revolves around solving for time in kinematics equations, specifically the equation D = ViT + 0.5AT². Participants explore algebraic manipulations and the application of the quadratic formula to derive expressions for time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their derivation of the equation for time, expressing it as t = (-Vi ± √(Vi + 2ad))/a, and seeks simplification.
  • Another participant suggests using the quadratic formula directly and emphasizes the need to complete the square for clarity.
  • Concerns are raised about the correctness of the final equation derived, with multiple participants questioning its validity.
  • One participant notes the importance of checking the units of the derived expression for consistency.
  • Another participant mentions that plugging in specific values did not yield expected results, indicating potential issues with the derived equation.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the definition of displacement and its implications on the derived equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the correctness of the final equation for time, with some questioning its validity and others attempting to clarify the derivation process. No consensus is reached on the accuracy of the derived expressions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues related to the assumptions made about displacement and the conditions under which the derived equations hold true. The discussion highlights the complexity of algebraic manipulation in kinematics.

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Ok well I'm making a program to solve all my physics formulas quick and easy. But for the equation D = ViT + .5AT^2 I can't solve for T. I forgot some of my algebra 2 skills, which would come in handy here :rolleyes:. This is what I have so far:

Since this is somewhat similar to deriving the quadratic equation I wrote that down to try to mirror it.

d = v_{i}t + \frac{1}{2}at^{2}

0 = v_{i}t + \frac{1}{2}at^{2} - d

\frac{1}{2}at^{2} + v_{i}t - d = 0

\frac{1}{2}at^{2} + v_{i}t = d

t^{2} + \frac{2v_{i}t}{a} = \frac{2d}{a}

t^{2} + \frac{2v_{i}t}{a} + \frac{v_{i}^{2}}{a^{2}} = \frac{2d}{a} + \frac{v_{i}^{2}}{a^{2}}

(t + \frac{v_{i}}{a})^{2} = \frac{2d}{a} + \frac{v_{i}^{2}}{a^{2}}

t + \frac{v_{i}}{a} = \sqrt{\frac{2d}{a} + \frac{v_{i}}{a^{2}}}

t = - \frac{v_{i}}{a}\pm\sqrt{\frac{2d}{a} + \frac{v_{i}}{a^{2}}}

t = - \frac{v_{i}}{a}\pm\sqrt{\frac{2da}{a^{2}} + \frac{v_{i}}{a^{2}}}

t = - \frac{v_{i}}{a}\frac{\pm\sqrt{v_{i} + 2ad}}{a}

t = \frac{-v_{i}\pm\sqrt{v_{i} + 2ad}}{a}Is there any way of simlifing this more? Any help is appreciated. Well I can't seem to get my LaTeX image to show up, can anyone edit it so it will?
 
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are you referring the the kinematic eq.
x=x_{0}+v_{0} t+\frac{a}{2}t^{2}
if so why do you not just use the quadratic formula if you're trying to solve for t.
t = \frac{-v_{0} \pm \sqrt{v_{0}^{2}-2ax_{0}}}{a}
if you want to derive the quad. equation then, start with the first formula, complete the square in terms of t, and solve remember in completing the square you have to make it such that the coefficient in front of the squared term is 1, otherwise it's a little messier.
 
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Ya that's what I did... if only the latex from the first post would show up

This is the first equation:
d = v_{i}t + \frac{1}{2}at^2

And this is the final equation I got:

t = \frac{-v_{i} \pm \sqrt{v_{i} + 2ad}}{a}
 
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Is the final equation right? I don't think it is.
 
Firestrider said:
Is the final equation right? I don't think it is.

The usual response to this is: "plug your solution back into your initial equation!"

However, before carrying that out, it's a good idea to check that the units of your expression are consistent.
 
Tried that, didn't work! Plugged in 5's and got a 3m as displacement.
 
Firestrider said:
Ya that's what I did... if only the latex from the first post would show up

This is the first equation:
d = v_{i}t + \frac{1}{2}at^2

And this is the final equation I got:

t = \frac{-v_{i} \pm \sqrt{v_{i} + 2ad}}{a}

You should get with your equation
t = \frac{-v_{i} \pm \sqrt{v_{i}^{2}-2a (\pm d)}}{a}
remember
d=d_{f}-d_{i}
so if
d_{f}<d_{i}
your result wouldn't be correct.
 
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