How to solve for x in this problem

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The discussion revolves around finding an exact solution for the variable x in the equation x = c - N^{-\left(\frac{1+x}{1-x}\right)}. Participants explore various methods, including the use of the Lambert W function and substitutions, while expressing challenges in achieving an explicit solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks an exact solution for x, indicating a preference over numerical methods.
  • Another suggests that the Lambert W function may be necessary for solving the equation.
  • A participant proposes substituting the expression involving x with a new variable to facilitate rearrangement and application of the Lambert W function.
  • Further attempts to manipulate the equation lead to a form z^{(z-A)} = B, but the participant expresses difficulty in transforming it into the desired format.
  • One participant questions the practicality of using the Lambert W function, noting that it ultimately requires numerical computation similar to other functions.
  • Another participant compares the use of symbols like π and sin with the Lambert W function, emphasizing the value of having a symbolic representation despite the need for numerical evaluation.
  • Some participants report that they could not find a solution in terms of the W function, referencing external tools like Wolfram for verification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of obtaining an explicit solution using the Lambert W function, with some suggesting it may not be possible while others continue to explore its application. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact solution for x.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various transformations and substitutions, but there are indications of mental blocks and unresolved steps in the mathematical reasoning. The discussion reflects a reliance on definitions and the complexity of the problem without reaching a consensus.

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what's the general solution for x in the following equation

[tex]x=c-N^{-\left(\frac{1+x}{1-x}\right)}[/tex]

i could solve using numerical methods , but i need an exact-explicit solution .
 
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Looks like you'll need Lambert's W, then.
 
Gerenuk said:
You could substitute the brakets with x by a new variable and then try to rearrange until you can apply
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LambertW-Function.html
In the end this new function is just like numeric. But at least you have a name for it ;)

thanks for the reply .. i tried this :
substitute

[tex]y=\frac{1+x}{1-x}[/tex]then

[tex]N^{-y}=c-\frac{y-1}{y+1}[/tex]

or

[tex](y+1)N^{-y}=(c-1)y+(c+1)[/tex]

but then i got a mental block ... i don't know how to transform the problem into the form :

[tex]A(N,c)=B(x) e^{B(x)}[/tex]
 
i managed to reduce the problem down to the form :

[tex]z^{(z-A)}=B[/tex]

again , I'm stuck !
 
Hmm, maybe it's not doable with that function alone. I only get
[tex] W(x)=Ax+B[/tex]
But anyway, what's the difference between numerics and knowing an expression with W? W has to be computed numerically anyway (just like sin, cos and all other functions).
 
[tex]\pi[/tex] has to be computed numerically too but we still allow it a symbol for convenience. And I would much rather sin(2) over a numerical approximation for it, even though if anyone wanted to evaluate sin(2) they would end up with an approximation anyway.

I also couldn't find a solution in terms of the W function. I checked with Wolfram and it too couldn't find one.
 

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