How to Solve Simultaneous Equations with Multiplication Symbols?

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of simultaneous equations that involve multiplication symbols represented by dots. Participants explore the equations, attempt to manipulate them, and analyze their solvability, focusing on both algebraic manipulation and the existence of solutions.

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  • One participant presents a system of equations and seeks assistance in solving them, indicating difficulty with the problem.
  • Another participant suggests rewriting one equation to express y in terms of x and proposes a method to eliminate denominators by multiplying through by 4.
  • A third participant questions the correctness of the problem, stating that the system has no solution over the real numbers.
  • A fourth participant agrees with the previous claim and provides a detailed algebraic manipulation of the equations, ultimately concluding that the resulting quadratic equation has no real roots.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the solvability of the system of equations, with some asserting that there is no solution while others attempt to manipulate the equations without reaching a consensus on the outcome.

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The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions about the equations, particularly regarding the conditions under which solutions may or may not exist.

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Can someone solve this, i know its not very hard but for me it is :/
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The dot . is meaned to be * (multiplication)

can someone help me :)
 

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AstroBoy said:
Can someone solve this, i know its not very hard but for me it is :/
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The dot . is meaned to be * (multiplication)

can someone help me :)

You want to find $ \dfrac{x}{4} + \dfrac{x}{4} = \dfrac{x}{2} $ we want half of x

$ \dfrac{x+y}{4} = 1 - \dfrac{xy}{2} $

$ \dfrac{2(2xy)}{3} - \dfrac{3x-y}{4} = 3 $

From the first equation write y with respect to x, first i would like to multiply it with 4 to eliminate the denominator

$ x+y = 4 - 2xy \Rightarrow y( 1 + 2x) = 4-x \Rightarrow y = \dfrac{4 -x }{1+2x} $
Sub it in the second and solve it for x
Tell us what you get...
I supposed that (1+2x) =/= 0
 
Hey Astroboy,

I noticed the system of equations that you cited has no solution over the real numbers. Are you sure you have copied the problem correctly?:)
 
Hello, AstroBoy!

I agree with anemone.

\begin{array}{cccc}\tfrac{1}{4}(x+y) \;=\;1 - \tfrac{1}{2}xy & [1] \\ \tfrac{2}{3}(2xy) - \tfrac{1}{4}(3x-y) \;=\;3 & [2] \end{array}

\begin{array}{cccccccc}4\times[1]& x+y \,=\,4-2xy \\ 12\times[2] & 16xy - 9x + 3y \,=\,36 \end{array}We have: .\begin{array}{cccc}x + y + 2xy &=& 4 & [3] \\ 9x - 3y - 16xy &=& \text{-}36 & [4] \end{array}
\begin{array}{cccccc}8\times[3] & 8x + 8y + 16xy &=& 32 \\ \text{Add [4]} & 9x - 3y - 16xy &=& \text{-}36 \end{array}

We have: .17x + 5y \:=\:\text{-}4 \quad\Rightarrow\quad y \:=\:\text{-}\frac{17x+4}{5}

Substitute into [3]: .x - \frac{17x+4}{5} + 2x\left(\text{-}\frac{17x+4}{5}\right) \:=\:4

Multiply by 5: .5x - 17x - 4 - 34x^2 - 8x \:=\:20

And we have: .34x^2 + 20x + 24 \:=\:0But .17x^2 + 10x + 12 \:=\:0 .has no real roots.
 

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