How to solve the moment questions, I tried couple of times but

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The discussion revolves around calculating moments in a physics problem involving forces and distances, with a focus on determining the moments about a specific point. Participants are attempting to clarify their understanding of the moment concept and its application in the given scenario.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the formula for moments, questioning the use of force and distance in calculations. There are attempts to clarify the correct application of the moment equation and the significance of the direction of forces. Some participants provide calculations for various forces and their respective moments, while others seek verification of these calculations.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their calculations and questioning the correctness of their approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of moments and the importance of sign conventions. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly concerning the forces involved and their contributions to the overall moment.

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There is mention of a second question regarding equilibrium, which introduces additional complexity to the discussion. Participants are also noting potential confusion regarding units and the specifics of the problem setup, such as the distances being in centimeters rather than meters.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



Tan angle = opposite/adjacent Cos angle= adjacent/hypotenuse
Sin angle= opposite/hypotenuse

M=F*D

The Attempt at a Solution



40(2.83 sin45) -30(4.47 cos26.57) -20cos45 * 0.6 +10*0.6 sin15
=-46.82

which is not the correct answer
 
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This is too vague.What the question?
Moment is not just F*D
Moment is force x perpendicular distance.
 
sry, forget abt the question
 
Find the moment about point hinge A due to all known forces
 
ƩM_{A} = Ʃ r x F

where r is the position vector from the force to A and F is the force vector.
 
is 20N moment = -20(6)?
 
20N =20*6 =60NM
30N= -97.53Nm
40N= -40sin45 *2.83=80.04NM
10N = 10sin15(6)=15.6NM

Can anyone tell me any of the forces are wrong?
 
It's a little confusing to use equals signs like that... edited.
I assume anticlockwise is positive in your scheme.
Note the distances in the diagram are cm, not m.
cracktheegg said:
20N: 20*6 =60NM
Check the arithmetic.
30N: -97.53Nm
Please show how you got to that number. Why negative?
40N: -40sin45 *2.83=80.04NM
By plugging in numbers too soon you introduced a rounding error. It should be exactly 80. Can you see an easy way to obtain that? And you lost the minus sign.
10N: 10sin15(6)=15.6NM
Sign?

What about the two Fs?
 
20N has a moment of 20*0.06 = +1.2Nm

x component of force moment is -30cos(60° )*0.02

y component of force moment is +30sin(60° )*0.04

40N has a moment -40*0.02 = -80Nm

10N has a moment of -10sin(15°)*6
 
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cracktheegg said:
20N has a moment of 20*0.06 = +1.2Nm

x component of force moment is -30cos(60° )*0.02

y component of force moment is +30sin(60° )*0.04

40N has a moment -40*0.02 = -80Nm

10N has a moment of -10sin(15°)*6

That all looks right. I still don't understand where the two 'F' forces come in. Do they arise in a different part of the question?
 
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There is question B, which ask what magnitude of the F will keep it equilibrium.
 
  • #12
cracktheegg said:
There is question B, which ask what magnitude of the F will keep it equilibrium.
If it is in equilibrium,Anticlockwise moment should be equal to clockwise moment.
 
  • #13
91.96= Fsin60 5.67-Fcos15
F= 91.96/ (sin60 5.67 -cos15)
=27.4N

correct?
 
  • #14
cracktheegg said:
91.96= Fsin60 5.67-Fcos15
F= 91.96/ (sin60 5.67 -cos15)
=27.4N

correct?
I get 27.48, but that's probably near enough.
 
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ty guys, you guys help me a lot
 

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