How to solve trignometric equations ?

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The discussion revolves around solving trigonometric equations, specifically focusing on two examples provided by a participant. The scope includes exploring methods for solving these equations and understanding underlying concepts and formulas.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests guidance on solving specific trigonometric equations, providing examples for others to address.
  • Another participant mentions the fundamental identity sin²x + cos²x = 1 and its rearrangements, suggesting these could be useful in solving the equations.
  • A participant hints at rewriting expressions of the form A cos θ + B sin θ into C sin(θ + φ) but does not provide a clear solution for the second example.
  • Concerns are raised about the solvability of the second example, with one participant noting they reached a fourth-degree polynomial and questioning the necessity of numerical techniques.
  • Some participants suggest that the equations may not have real solutions, particularly for the first equation, based on the maximum values of sine and cosine functions.
  • There is a request for clarification on how to determine the values of φ and C in the transformation of trigonometric expressions.

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Participants express differing views on the solvability of the provided equations, with some suggesting that no real solutions exist while others seek methods for solving them. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

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Participants mention the use of numerical techniques and express uncertainty about the results obtained from the equations, indicating that the equations may not yield simple or nice answers.

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Individuals interested in trigonometric equations, mathematical problem-solving techniques, and those seeking clarification on specific methods in trigonometry may find this discussion beneficial.

bongas
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Hello maths masters...

I don't know how to solve trignometric equations, let me give you people a few examples and then any of you can guide me through it by :
1)Giving a link to a good site
2)by solving the examples provided (and also explaining them)
3)or simply by stating(an easy to understand) formula.

i don't have a mathemetics keyboard or software so consider " P " as a variable whose value is to be found.

The example 1:
2sin(P) + 1.5cos(P) = 10
The example 2:
cos(P) + 50 = tan(P)


Please solve both of the examples and also show me the working so that i can clearly understand how its done.
 
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You should be familiar with the formula sin^2x+cos^2x=1

Well, re-arranging this formula in some ways can give you things like

cos^2x=1-sin^2x

and

sinx=\pm \sqrt{1-cos^2x}

Also remember that tanx=\frac{sinx}{cosx}
 
hi bongas! :smile:

(have a theta: θ :wink:)
bongas said:
2sin(P) + 1.5cos(P) = 10

hint: Acosθ + Bsinθ can be written in the form Csin(θ + φ) :wink:
cos(P) + 50 = tan(P)

i don't know a simple solution to this, other than using Mentallic's :smile: hint
 
bongas said:
the answer u gave was enough for solving example no.1 but i see no way of solving example no. 2


by using what the general rules of trignometric ratios you mentioned i could only go as far as :

cos^4(P) + 51cos^2(P) - 1 = 0

Now, how do we solve this ?


Note that cos^4 means cosine raise to the power 2 or in other words cosine squared.

I didn't get that result for either question 1 or 2. Are you expected to use numerical techniques in this class? Because they don't seem to be giving nice answers.
 
tiny-tim said:
hint: Acosθ + Bsinθ can be written in the form Csin(θ + φ) :wink:

Hopefully the OP can notice that no real solutions exist by using common sense :smile:
 
Mentallic said:
Hopefully the OP can notice that no real solutions exist by using common sense :smile:

I assumed bongas just put in numbers at random, as an example. :wink:
 
oh yes these were just random numbers, it was not a proven question...but i have already told the bedrock of my question ie can anyone explain me how these type of equations are solved.
@tiny tim, i have seen this methode being used very often but have never really understood how to find the value of (phi) and (C) ? It would be really helpful if you show it to me (the working ) of any proven example.
 
Mentallic said:
I didn't get that result for either question 1 or 2. Are you expected to use numerical techniques in this class? Because they don't seem to be giving nice answers.

What numerical techniques are you talking about ?
Can you please specify and also it would be really helpfull if you show me the difference between the two techniques .
 
hi bongas! :wink:
bongas said:
@tiny tim, i have seen this methode being used very often but have never really understood how to find the value of (phi) and (C) ?

(what happened to that φ i gave you? :redface:)

hint: expand Csin(θ + φ) …

what do you get? :smile:
 
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By observation it can be seen that there are no real solutions to the first equation.

Sin and Cos both have a max of 1, so the biggest the left side can be is 3.5, it can never, in the real numbers equal 10.
 

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