How to verify if a mapping is quotient.

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The discussion centers around verifying whether a specific mapping from R^3 excluding the plane where x1=0 to R^2 is a quotient mapping. Participants explore definitions, properties, and conditions related to quotient mappings, as well as potential approaches to the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for the definition of a quotient mapping and the necessary properties it should possess.
  • Another participant notes the need for specific topologies in both the domain and codomain to determine if a map is a quotient map.
  • A different participant suggests using the definition of continuity to explore the mapping, questioning how to demonstrate the necessary conditions for local injectivity and openness.
  • There is a mention of the difficulty in finding a surjective continuous map between Euclidean spaces that is not open, raising the possibility that all such maps could be quotient maps if surjectivity is guaranteed.
  • One participant poses a related question about whether a continuous map that is open on any open subspace of the domain implies that the entire map is open, indicating uncertainty about transitioning from local to global properties.

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Participants express differing views on the necessary conditions for a mapping to be a quotient mapping, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific mapping in question.

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Participants highlight the importance of definitions and topological considerations, indicating that assumptions about the mapping's properties and the nature of the spaces involved are crucial but not fully articulated.

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Prove or disprove that f is a quotient mapping.
f:R^3\{(x1,x2,x3):x1=0}--->R^2 defined by

(x1,x2,x3)|->(x2/x1,x3/x1)
 
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Do you know what the definition of a quotient mapping is?
What properties should it have?
 
You usually need to have specific topologies defined in your domain and codomain, to test whether a map is a quotient map.
 
I would try using directly the definition.

One direction is definition of continuity, what about the other direction?

I'm honestly not sure myself, but I would try to show that: at least one partial derivative in at least one coordinate is nonzero → it is localy injective → it is open → it is quotient.OT: I'm having trouble coming up with surjective continuous map between euclidean spaces that is not open. Is there some theorem about it? It would mean that every such map is quotient, it seems. If the map was not subjective, it would be easy.

Another OT, but vaguely related: If a countinuous map between euclidean spaces was open on any open subspace of domain, would it imply all that map would be open? There doesn't seem to be any way of continuously passing from open map on a subspace to a place where it takes open subset to non-open subset. So the OP would need to just check if some nice subspace is open.
 
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