How true/accurate is Gasland

  1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZe1AeH0Qz8&feature=player_embedded

    Was wondering if anyone knows how true/accurate this is or not? Documentaries like this can reveal some very important things I know, however they also can present blatant lies and distortions depending on the agenda of the filmmaker.

    I figured I would post this in this forum since an issue like this obviously relates to policymaking.
     
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  3. Pengwuino

    Pengwuino 7,118
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    Re: Gasland

    I know I'm kinda necroposting this but it's only been a year and I'm interested!

    Has anyone seen this film? Is it factual or mainly nonsense? A friend of mine is interested and says he wants to know if it's true that a large majority of Colorado's drinking water is now contaminated and undrinkable. So does anyone know anything about this documtnary?
     
  4. SixNein

    SixNein 224
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    I don't know, but I do know I love your signature.
     
  5. Re: Gasland

    Your query piqued my interest so I watched as much of the documentary as I had time to do. I don't know if all it's claims are true, or if a large majority of Colorado's drinking water is contaminated and undrinkable, and, if so, what caused that.

    It does seem logical to assume that underground water would mix somewhat with both the fracking fluids and the natural gas that's released as a result of fracking. But this is a question for geologists.

    I'm not really concerned about it because virtually all of my time is spent either in Florida or Connecticut, neither of which are affected by fracking, as far as I know. However, if you're in Pennsylvania, then it might be an issue since there are apparently about 35K natural gas wells in that state. And there are quite a few other states with wells numbering in the thousands.

    Below are some links (I Googled, "gasland debunked"), pro and con regarding the documentary:

    http://www.kioga.org/communications/reports/GasLandDebunked.pdf/view

    http://www.damascuscitizens.org/Affirming-GASLAND.pdf

    http://www.bseec.org/content/debunking-gasland

    http://txsharon.blogspot.com/2010/06/gasland-debunking-debunked.html

    http://gaslandthemovie.com/
     
  6. mheslep

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    This source seems authoritative, the State Of Colorado Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: the film is error ridden and fraudulent.

    http://cogcc.state.co.us/library/GASLAND DOC.pdf
    This one is unforgivable for a documentary on natural gas drilling:
    In particular the guy shown in the trailer at ~2:20 lighting off his tap water was shown to be burning naturally leaking shallow (biogenic) gas, not fract. gas.

    I thought there was some kind of civil law prevention of this kind of garbage? For instance, if I 'grabbed my camera' and 'traveled across the country' making up bogus claims about (say) meat w/ mad cow disease or the dangers of air travel I assumed I could be deservedly sued.
     
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2011
  7. apeiron

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    The subject is a matter for study....
    http://water.epa.gov/type/groundwater/uic/class2/hydraulicfracturing/index.cfm

    There are plenty of people worried...
    http://www.skynews.com.au/national/article.aspx?id=639652&vId=

    The French have banned fracking...
    http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=france-bans-fracking-2011-06-30

    But probably most conclusive is Halliburton thinks there's no problem. :smile:
     
  8. Pengwuino

    Pengwuino 7,118
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    The public's opinion and government opinions pretty much have as much weight for me as the people trying to profit off of it. I need to take some time to read the sources posted here.
     
  9. Re: Gasland

    Isn't the documentary maker, Josh Fox, being sued by drillers and frackers and Halliburton and the sorts of authoritative governmental agencies that you cited?

    Well, definitely compelling at least. :smile:
     
  10. apeiron

    apeiron 2,432
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    Googling did not produce any evidence that Fox is being sued.

    There is an industry put-up lobby group as you might expect...
    http://www.energyindepth.org/

    And Josh Fox has answered his critics thus...
    http://1trickpony.cachefly.net/gas/pdf/Affirming_Gasland_Sept_2010.pdf

     
  11. Pengwuino

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    Wow my friend is totally convinced there's a worldwide conspiracy to cover up entire states water supplies being contaminated and they can't drink the water anymore. He tells me it's not his job to show proof this is happening, it's my job to show it's not happening, and he's getting more and more annoying about it. And I really don't have time to learn about a whole subject just to teach him about it.... sigh.
     
  12. mheslep

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    Uh oh. Your friend's not a in charge of SAC base I hope?
    [​IMG]

    General Ripper:
     
  13. Greg Bernhardt

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    Power necro'd! Just finished watching this. Junk or truth?
     
  14. Re: Gasland

    Mostly Junk and Hype.

    Disclosure I work in the marcellus my degree is environmental geology.
     
  15. Re: Gasland

    Well, one has to skeptical about the veracity of any documentary. There are dangers involved in fracking. But, apparently, those dangers can be adequately addressed with existing technology. Whether they will, always, be adequately addressed is another question. Whether fracking will prove to be a net positive or negative remains to be determined and any assessment will depend on what factors are accentuated.
     
  16. mheslep

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  17. mheslep

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    I see the author / filmmaker of Gasland was arrested in a Congressional meeting room. He was apparently trying to set up and film, but couldn't be bothered with getting press credentials and refused to turn his camera off when asked.
     
  18. Re: Gasland

    So who's the culprit there? A citizen for attempting to film what, imho, should be a public discussion, or the government for preventing him from doing so?

    Whether large scale fracking can be entirely safely done is an unanswered question. What I don't like is what I see as industry and government attempts to bypass necessary safety requirements in the interest of projected monetary profits.

    This is a scenario that's been repeated ad nauseum in America.
     
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2012
  19. mheslep

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    Fox, the filmmaker.
    It is a public discussion, open the public, but apparently there is simple rule that says if you want to enter the limited space of a conference room with a camera tripod and microphones and an HBO film crew you have get permission in advance. Fox did not. Why do you think that is?

    What makes you think anything has been bypassed?

    EPA Proposes New Rules on Emissions Released by Fracking
    EPA Revisiting, Announces Gaps in Dimock, PA Water Data‎
    http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/277869/20120106/epa-revisiting-announces-gaps-dimock-pa-water.htm
    Pennsylvania's Fracking Program Gets Mostly High Marks in Independent Review
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/09/28/idUS266094130120100928
    EPA takes new look at gas drilling, water issues
    http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/environment/2010-07-21-fracking_N.htm
    Colorado oil and gas rules score high in outside review
    http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news/2011/10/31/colorado-oil-and-gas-rules-score-high.html
     
  20. Re: Gasland

    Then we can respectfully disagree on that.
    I suspect it's because he anticipated not getting permission. Why would he not get permission? Did the people involved in the proceedings have something to hide from the public? That would be my guess. Anyway, for all we know, he did ask for permission in advance and was denied.

    Are you suggesting that the following are in any way comprehensive? I'm still reading them, but so far they don't seem too positive in favor of fracking.

     
  21. Re: Gasland

    Ok, I've read all that stuff and I'll stick with my statement that whether large scale fracking can, and will, be entirely safely done is an unanswered question. And it's my personal opinion, which might well be wrong, that the natural gas industry and the governments involved have a vested interest in bypassing necessary safety requirements in the interest of projected monetary profits.
     
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