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The discussion revolves around finding the exact value of $$a$$ in the function $$f(x) = (x-1)^2(x-a)$$ such that the local minimum of the function lies on the line described by the equation $$y=-4x$$. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and derivative analysis.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the local minimum of the cubic function should lie on the line $$y=-4x$$.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the problem statement, noting that points have coordinates while lines have equations.
  • A participant mentions that the problem includes a diagram and that the linear equation intersects the minimum point.
  • One participant computes the first and second derivatives of the function and establishes conditions for the local minimum based on the second derivative being positive.
  • Another participant derives a condition for $$a$$ based on the requirement that the local minimum lies on the line, leading to the equation $$(a-1)^3=9(2a+1)$$.
  • A participant concludes that the value of $$a$$ that satisfies the conditions is $$a=\frac{5+3\sqrt{5}}{2}$$, which aligns with an earlier proposed value.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the derived value of $$a$$, but there is some uncertainty regarding the clarity of the problem statement and the interpretation of the minimum point's location.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the relationship between the function's local minimum and the line, as well as the conditions under which the second derivative is positive. There are unresolved aspects regarding the initial problem statement and its diagram.

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For $$ f(x) = (x-1)^2(x-a) $$

Find the exact value of $$a$$ such that the local min lies on the point with equation $$y=-4x
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Hi bushy. Are you sure you have the question typed correctly? Points have coordinates, lines have equations. That aside, what have you tried?
 
Well the question comes with a diagram. The linear equation goes through that minimum.

What have I tried?

I have made the cubic equal to the linear equation but that gives me a value for x in terms of a
 
I found it $$a = \frac{1}{2}(5+3\sqrt{5})$$
 
I think what I would, is first compute the first derivative:

$$y'=(x-1)(3x-(2a+1))$$

And then the second derivative:

$$y''=6x-2(a+2)$$

Okay, now let's look at the root of the first derivative:

$$x=\frac{2a+1}{3}$$

With this value for $x$, we require the second derivative to be positive:

$$6\left(\frac{2a+1}{3}\right)-2(a+2)>0$$

$$2a+1-a-2>0$$

$$a>1$$

This tells us that if the local minimum is going to occur anywhere other than that $(1,0)$, then we need $1<a$. And when we have $1<a$, the local minimum is locate at:

$$(x,y)=\left(\frac{2a+1}{3},\frac{4}{27}(1-a)^3\right)$$

Now, in order for this point to lie on the line $y=-4x$, we require:

$$\frac{4}{27}(1-a)^3=-4\left(\frac{2a+1}{3}\right)$$

$$(a-1)^3=9(2a+1)$$

$$(a+2)\left(a^2-5a-5\right)=0$$

Taking the only root such that $1<a$, we obtain:

$$a=\frac{5+3\sqrt{5}}{2}$$

And this agrees with the value you found. :D
 

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