, I don't have a clue how to calculate this.

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of a crankshaft system, specifically how forces from a piston affect the crankshaft's ability to turn. Participants explore the implications of force direction, torque variation, and energy expenditure in the context of an engine cycle, with a focus on understanding power losses and mechanical advantages in a custom application involving a cam and lever system.

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  • Ole SeaBee expresses confusion regarding how to calculate the effective force from a piston acting on a crankshaft, noting specific angles and lengths involved.
  • Some participants suggest that the force exerted by the piston can be decomposed into components, with only the force in the direction of motion contributing to energy expenditure, while perpendicular forces do not result in power loss.
  • Others argue that there is a variation in torque throughout the engine cycle, influenced by changing cylinder pressure and mechanism geometry, which may lead to instantaneous torque losses at the crankshaft.
  • One participant mentions that side loads from the piston do not cause significant power losses, aside from minor frictional effects.
  • Ole SeaBee raises concerns about the torque available to turn a lever connected to the crankshaft and seeks to quantify potential losses during operation.
  • Another participant notes that the local torque on the crankshaft can reverse direction during part of the crank cycle, emphasizing the importance of a flywheel in maintaining engine operation.
  • Ole SeaBee provides additional details about the mechanics of the system, including the role of a cam and the specific angles at which it interacts with the lever.
  • There is a request for assistance in calculating the losses associated with the described system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the nature of power losses in the system. While some assert that there are no significant losses due to side loads, others highlight the complexity of torque variation throughout the crankshaft cycle, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants reference specific angles, lengths, and forces, but the discussion lacks a clear consensus on the calculations needed to quantify losses. The interplay between geometry and force application is acknowledged but not fully resolved.

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Individuals interested in mechanical engineering, particularly those focused on crankshaft dynamics, engine mechanics, or custom mechanical systems, may find this discussion relevant.

  • #31
No worries.
The torque is about the center of the crank. This is inclusive of the 5.25" moment arm.
Basically you can think of it as 164 lbf acting perpendicular to the crank arm at that 5.25" distance.
 
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  • #32
FeX32 said:
No worries.
The torque is about the center of the crank. This is inclusive of the 5.25" moment arm.
Basically you can think of it as 164 lbf acting perpendicular to the crank arm at that 5.25" distance.

FeX32,

That is what I thought it was, I did get that number as well as at the cam I believe it's 328 lbf. This is better than I had hoped for in this application.

It is the final answer I needed and I've worked on this machine for the better part of 6 years. I have tried to figure it many ways, never was sure of the outcome tho! Now I fully believe it will work. I had little doubt ;)!

Thank You Again! I won't forget your help!

ed
 
  • #33
You're welcome ed. Good luck with your machine.
All the best to ya,
 

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