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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the expression (-2x^2 + 4x) / (x - 2) as x approaches 2. Participants explore the implications of encountering the indeterminate form 0/0 and propose different potential final answers based on their interpretations and calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially evaluates the limit and finds it results in the indeterminate form 0/0, leading to three proposed answers: A) Does not exist, B) 0, and C) 1.
  • Another participant suggests factoring the numerator to resolve the indeterminate form and indicates that cancellation may lead to a real answer.
  • A third participant explains that 0/0 is an indeterminate quotient and that limits can behave differently, emphasizing that limits may exist, diverge, or be undefined.
  • A later reply reiterates the need to factor and cancel terms to find the correct limit, suggesting that the initial answers proposed are incorrect.
  • In a follow-up post, a participant corrects their earlier calculation, finding that the limit evaluates to -4 after factoring and canceling the appropriate terms.

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Participants express differing views on the limit's value, with no consensus reached initially. Some argue for the limit being undefined, while others propose specific numerical values. Ultimately, one participant arrives at a different conclusion after re-evaluating their calculations.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of limits involving indeterminate forms and the necessity of factoring and simplification, which were not initially addressed by all participants. The varying interpretations of the limit's behavior reflect the nuances involved in limit evaluation.

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I evaluated a limit which is [limit x approaches 2 (-2x^2+4x/x-2)]
I plugged value 2 into the limit. So, -2(4)+8/2-2 and I got 0/0.
However, I came up to three possible final answer and I am not sure which is the real final answer.
I have thought about it, and I asked for people's advice, but they all had different answers. So here is the three answer which came out from the discussion with people, 1, 2, 3.
"The answer is A)Does not exist" 1 said.
"No, the answer is B)0" this is No.2 and my idea.
"Hey, how about C)1?" 3 insisted.
So I came here to hear what people think about this. I will tell you what I tried. About answer A from person number 1, as you know, if I got an answer 7/0, the limit would be DNE(does not exists). So why not 0/0 can't be DNE?
Then how about 0? 2 and I think this is the answer but...
Is it 1 from person number 3, because 1/1 is 1, 2/2 is 1,3/3 is 1 and so forth?
Please help.
 
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You need to factor the numerator. You will see that a factor of the numerator is the factor that is in the denominator. These will cancel and you will be able to just plug in the 2 and get a real answer.
 
When an expression evaluates to something of the form 0/0, it is called an indeterminate quotient. There are more advanced methods (usually seen midway through Calculus I) that can handle these better. It is unfortunately the case that nothing about the limit can be deduced from the knowledge that something an indeterminate quotient of the form 0/0. The limit may exist (i.e. converges to a limit L), be infinitely divergent, or be just plain undefined. Note that converging to a limit and diverging to an infinity are both defined limits while only converging is a limit that exists. Stating that a limit does not exist is not fully answering the question.

All limits below are indeterminate (0/0) and as can be seen each is different in behavior.

[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{x^2}{x^2} = 1.[/tex]

[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{x}{x^3}= \infty.[/tex]

[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{x^3-x^2}{x} = 0.[/tex]

[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 2} \frac{x^2-4}{x^2+x-6} = \frac{4}{5}.[/tex]

--Elucidus
 
stanton said:
I evaluated a limit which is [limit x approaches 2 (-2x^2+4x/x-2)]
I plugged value 2 into the limit. So, -2(4)+8/2-2 and I got 0/0.
However, I came up to three possible final answer and I am not sure which is the real final answer.
I have thought about it, and I asked for people's advice, but they all had different answers. So here is the three answer which came out from the discussion with people, 1, 2, 3.
"The answer is A)Does not exist" 1 said.
"No, the answer is B)0" this is No.2 and my idea.
"Hey, how about C)1?" 3 insisted.
So I came here to hear what people think about this. I will tell you what I tried. About answer A from person number 1, as you know, if I got an answer 7/0, the limit would be DNE(does not exists). So why not 0/0 can't be DNE?
Then how about 0? 2 and I think this is the answer but...
Is it 1 from person number 3, because 1/1 is 1, 2/2 is 1,3/3 is 1 and so forth?
Please help.
None of those answers is correct. The fact that the numerator is 0 when x= 2 tells you that x- 2 is a factor of the denominator and so can be cancelled. Like w3390 said, factor the numerator and cancel.
 
Now I see what was wrong with my calculation!
(-2x)(x-2)/(x-2) and by deletling (x-2), (-2x) left. So the answer is -4.
I thank all for good advices! Every answer was very helpful.
 

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