I need help with opening a large gas filter separator without a crane

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenge of opening a large gas filter separator cup without the use of a crane or chain block, specifically addressing methods and safety concerns related to the task. Participants explore various mechanical solutions and express concerns about safety and proper procedures.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a counterweight, gas damper struts, or a large lead screw as potential solutions, assuming the cup is hinged.
  • Another participant describes a method involving a turnbuckle and a swing arm or rail to support the cup's weight, emphasizing the importance of ensuring the turnbuckle is rated for the cup's weight.
  • A flat skid with arms bolted to the cup is proposed as an alternative method to gain access after removing flanges.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety of the task, with one participant questioning the appropriateness of seeking advice from the forum rather than consulting company supervisors.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for a proper support structure and suggests that the task should be documented and escalated as a safety issue if no procedures exist.
  • There is a request for more information regarding the attachment method and the weight of the cup when removed, indicating uncertainty about the specifics of the task.
  • One participant expresses frustration at perceived negative comments and insists they have already considered safety measures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of ideas and concerns, with no consensus on a specific method to safely open the gas filter separator cup. Safety remains a significant point of contention, with some advocating for consulting company protocols while others focus on mechanical solutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of safety and proper procedures, indicating that the discussion is limited by the lack of specific information about the cup's attachment method and weight. There is also a suggestion that the task may require engineering considerations.

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I need ideas
I have a gas filter separator cup and I need to open in without using a crane or a chain block, it is 42inch.
Can any one give me an idea !!

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medTayeb said:
I have a gas filter separator cup and I need to open in without using a crane or a chain block, it is 42inch.
I have seen it done with a turnbuckle to take the weight at the top, on a short swing arm or rail, with a diagonal stay.
The cup weight is more critical than the diameter.
Make sure the turnbuckle is rated well in excess of the cup weight.

Another solution is a flat skid that rests on the deck or floor, with arms that reach up and bolt to the cup. Undo the flanges, then slide it away to gain access.
 
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medTayeb said:
TL;DR Summary: I need ideas

I have a gas filter separator cup and I need to open in without using a crane or a chain block, it is 42inch.
Can any one give me an idea !!
Welcome, Tayeb!
Is your problem the separation from the body?
If so, why?
I see that you have a swing hoist for supporting of the cup once separated.
 
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Yes I want to open this cup but without using a crane nor a chaineblock
 
medTayeb said:
Yes I want to open this cup but without using a crane nor a chaineblock
Why are you asking us about this dangerous activity instead of asking your company supervisors about how to handle this task safely and within your company insurance carrier terms?
 
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berkeman said:
Why are you asking us about this dangerous activity instead of asking your company supervisors about how to handle this task safely and within your company insurance carrier terms?
Thank you brother for the feedback, you think I didn’t do all that you mentioned?? Anyway if you are not going to help, it would be so appreciated if you just let others help without negative comments.
 
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How much does it weigh when removed?
 
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I can't see the attachment method.
Also, I can only guess that whatever is to be done there, you will need to put it back at the end.
In short: you will likely need to build a proper (two-way) support structure in situ. And that'll be engineering.
 
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To be completely honest, if there’s no support equipment or procedure already developed for the task, this should be documented thoroughly and run up the chain in the company, preferably as a safety issue.
 
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medTayeb said:
Thank you brother for the feedback, you think I didn’t do all that you mentioned?? Anyway if you are not going to help, it would be so appreciated if you just let others help without negative comments.
We only know what you tell us. You have not shown us how it comes apart, nor have you shown us why that jib crane cannot do the job. How heavy is that end cap? You also need to convince us that you will do it safely. As you see from the responses so far, we are just guessing at what you are trying to do. We need more information, then we can help.

Safety is very important on this forum. You have not told us what you have done so far and we are not mind readers, so we have to assume that you have not done anything.
 
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This thread is closed. Follow the advice you've been given about approaching this problem properly, with your company team, chain of command an policy. We're not going to be responsible for you killing someone with a half baked idea we give you because you couldn't be bothered to give us all the information or just do it right(while complaining about it). Sheesh.
 
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