I need to verify Bessel function expension.

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The discussion centers around the verification of the Bessel function expansion, specifically focusing on the equations related to the Bessel functions of the first kind and their properties. Participants explore the mathematical formulation, integration, and implications of using the gamma function in the context of Bessel functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Alan presents three equations related to Bessel functions and seeks verification of their correctness.
  • Some participants agree that equations 1 and 3 appear correct, while expressing uncertainty about the purpose of equation 2.
  • There is a discussion about the use of the gamma function \(\Gamma(n+p+1)\) versus the factorial \((n+p)!\), with some noting that the gamma function is equivalent to the factorial only when \(p\) is an integer.
  • One participant elaborates on the implications of equation 2, stating that it represents an expansion of an arbitrary function \(f(x)\) in terms of Bessel functions, under certain conditions regarding the behavior of \(f(x)\) at the origin.
  • The orthogonality of Bessel functions is mentioned, with reference to their completeness and the conditions under which they can be used in expansions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the correctness of equations 1 and 3, but there is no consensus on the interpretation and implications of equation 2. Multiple views on the use of the gamma function and the conditions for the expansion remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the behavior of the function \(f(x)\) at the origin is crucial for the validity of the expansion in terms of Bessel functions of the first kind. There are also unresolved discussions regarding the integration process and the implications of using different formulations of the gamma function.

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I am almost certain I understand the Bessel function expension correctly, but I just want to verify with you guys to be sure:

1) [tex]J_{p}(\alpha_{j}x)=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^{n}\alpha_{j}^{2n+p}x^{2n+p}}{n!\Gamma(n+p+1)2^{2n+p}}[/tex]

2) [tex]f(x)=\sum_{j=1}^{\infty}A_{j}J_{p}(\alpha_{j}x)=\sum_{j=1}^{\infty}[A_{j}\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^{n}\alpha_{j}^{2n+p}x^{2n+p}}{n!\Gamma(n+p+1)2^{2n+p}}][/tex]

3) [tex]\int_{0}^{R}xJ_{p}(\alpha_{j}x)J_{p}(\alpha_{k}x)dx=\int_{0}^{R}x[\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^{n}\alpha_{j}^{2n+p}x^{2n+p}}{n!\Gamma(n+p+1)2^{2n+p}}][\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^{n}\alpha_{k}^{2n+p}x^{2n+p}}{n!\Gamma(n+p+1)2^{2n+p}}]dx[/tex]

Please take a look and let me know if I am correct or not from studying the books.

Thanks

Alan
 
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Equations 1 and 3 look correct.

I'm not sure what one is trying to with equation 2. One is simply defining f(x) as a weighted sum of Jp(ajx), but it looks OK.

Curious about using [tex]\Gamma(n+p+1)[/tex] as opposed to (n+p)!

One can also check - http://mathworld.wolfram.com/BesselFunctionoftheFirstKind.html
 
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Astronuc said:
Equations 1 and 3 look correct.

I'm not sure what one is trying to with equation 2. One is simply defining f(x) as a weighted sum of Jp(ajx), but it looks OK.

Curious about using [tex]\Gamma(n+p+1)[/tex] as opposed to (n+p)!

One can also check - http://mathworld.wolfram.com/BesselFunctionoftheFirstKind.html

Thanks for your help. 2) is just expand the [tex]J_{p}(\alpha_{j}x) and J_{p}(\alpha_{k}x)[/tex] out only. The reason I put this in because I have problem doing integration following this logic to prove the identity of integral on [0,a] of [tex]J^{2}_{p}(\alpha_{j}x)[/tex]

I want to verify 2) so I can continue to figure out what I do wrong. With 2), I can pull out all the constant term, gamma function and all, then I only have to integrate[tex]x^{4n+2p+1}[/tex] on [0,a].


Regarding to the gamma function [tex]\Gamma(n+p+1)=(n+p)![/tex] only if p is an integer. I have to read more on the link that you provide, I cannot pull it out of my head right at the moment, I have to do a little reading before I can answer that. All I know if p=1/2, your will have some number times [tex]\sqrt{\pi}[/tex]. I don't think you can get the answer using (n+p)!.
 
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Astronuc said:
I'm not sure what one is trying to with equation 2. One is simply defining f(x) as a weighted sum of Jp(ajx), but it looks OK.

Equation 2 is taking an arbitrary function f(x) and writing it as an expansion of Bessel functions of order p.

In order to do this, f(x) can't blow up at the origin (or else you would have to include Bessel functions of the 2nd kind in your expansion). The Bessel functions of any order 'p' form a complete orthogonal set with weight x (and if your function doesn't blow up at the origin, then your expansion will only involve Bessel functions of the 1st kind of order 'p'), where the orthogonal set is [tex]J_p (\alpha_i x)[/tex] where [tex]\alpha_i=\frac{r_i}{R}[/tex] where the ri are the roots of the bessel function of order p, and x=R is a boundary where the function vanishes.

The orthogonality follows from the fact that [tex]J_m(kx)[/tex] is a solution of the Bessel equation (written here in Sturm-Lioville form):

[tex](xy')'+k^2xy-\frac{m^2}{x}y=0[/tex]

which is a Hermitian linear differential operator with eigenvalue k^2 of weight x:

[tex]\mathcal Ly=[x\frac{d^2}{dx^2}+\frac{d}{dx}-\frac{m^2}{x}]y=-k^2xy[/tex]

when appropriate boundary conditions are applied, which is done by discretizing or quantizing the allowed eigenvalues k to [tex]\frac{r_i}{R}[/tex]
 

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