Identifying three identical metal bars (with your eyes closed )

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The discussion focuses on identifying three identical metal bars: a permanent magnet, a piece of soft iron, and a piece of copper, without visual cues. Participants agree that the copper bar can be identified by its lack of attraction to the other two bars. To differentiate between the permanent magnet and the soft iron, one effective method involves using the magnetic properties of the materials, specifically how they interact with each other. The suggestion of using eddy currents was deemed theoretically interesting but practically insufficient for clear identification.

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Identifying three identical metal bars (with your eyes closed!)

Homework Statement



How would you determine, non-destructively, and with eyes closed, which is which amongst three identically-shaped metal bars known to consist of a permanent magnet, a piece of soft iron and a piece of copper?


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I know you could identify which is the copper bar because it wouldn't be attracted to either of the other two bars but I am not sure how to determine which bar has the permanent magnet and which has the soft iron.

Could you perhaps use the effect of eddy currents to determine which is the parmanent magnet and which is the bar with the piece of soft iron. What I'm thinking is, trying to move the copper bar in the presence of the parmenant magnet should be more difficult then moving it in the presence of the soft iron bar.
 
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Well, you beat me to it! Outstanding work!
 


I don't think the eddy currents would be strong enough to realistically tell the difference, but theoretically, it should work.

There is a more realistic method of determining which is the soft iron and which is the magnet. It is something that anyone can do and see. IT has to do with one picking up the other. Putting the bars end to end wouldn't make the distinction, but what's an alternative way of one picking up the other?
 

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